I hate it when they don't write "kop van de wedstrijd" in a Belgian race
Or Achtervolgers...
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I hate it when they don't write "kop van de wedstrijd" in a Belgian race
I assume you are Dutch? I take it you have the same word in mind that is called Bildung in German and dannelse in Danish, which as far as I know have no direct counterpart in English.In short - formation.
In general, I'd say the authoritative source on the proper pronunciation of a name is the giver of the name.But what is the correct way of pronouncing a name?
I assume you are Dutch?
Almost correct. Until recent family tree research I was convinced I was 1/32nd Dutch., but it seems to be something between 1/64th and 1/128th.
The other part of the tree is approved Danish
"Formation" might be a bad word, admittet - 'general education' might be a more comprehensive expression to what I ment.
Too bad for all the “Danes” from Sydslesvig. I don’t think the long running debate here in Denmark about what it takes to be Danish has been concluded, certainly not with that method prevailing ...Surely you were only born in one country...
I just generally find the whole breaking your nationality down into parts to be a bit silly. Like, I MIGHT have some German ancestry - my paternal grandfather was, technically, born in Germany (or, I think it was still called Prussia at the time) - if that turns out to be true, I'm not gonna be putting numbers to it.
Do the forum mods have the ability to remove Citizenship?There goes that citizenship out the window.
Do the forum mods have the ability to remove Citizenship?
Place of birth is only one, sometimes rather insignificant, factor in somebody's national identity.Surely you were only born in one country...
So if there were two García s, one from Andalusia and the other from Asturias, they should be given different pronunciations. Should we be saying Dan Martin's name with the longer, depressed sounding a of a Birmingham accent?In general, I'd say the authoritative source on the proper pronunciation of a name is the giver of the name.
I assume you are Dutch? I take it you have the same word in mind that is called Bildung in German and dannelse in Danish, which as far as I know have no direct counterpart in English.
I just generally find the whole breaking your nationality down into parts to be a bit silly. Like, I MIGHT have some German ancestry - my paternal grandfather was, technically, born in Germany (or, I think it was still called Prussia at the time) - if that turns out to be true, I'm not gonna be putting numbers to it.
If the aim is to pronounce the name most accurately, yes. If there are multiple givers of the name, I'd think they have a common understanding of what the name is (as in the sound it takes). At least here, when people are baptized, the name is said aloud by the parents.So if there were two García s, one from Andalusia and the other from Asturias, they should be given different pronunciations. Should we be saying Dan Martin's name with the longer, depressed sounding a of a Birmingham accent?
My godmother had a son called Ian, but she always pronounced it "Een": is she the giver of the name or was her husband?
Appreciation of a language/accent is not the same as, nor always compatible with, imitation of it. Clarity is a more desirable quality in a commentator than showing off.
So let me get this straight - because you are paying for the service you demand that foreign names are pronounced wrongly? In what way is that respect for paying viewer? Maybe if paying viewer is not capable of understanding foreign names, he should not be following international sports… it’s clearly too complicated for “the paying viewer”.how about some respect for paying viewers
His description of the city of Milan on the Giro was so 'passionate' I thought he was going to have an orgasm on air. Calm down Rob it is only a city
So yeah, that pretty much confirms what I suspected. It’s the so called Europhillia that really bothers you isn’t it? Well that’s too bad because in cycling there’s going to be a lot of Europe for you to swallow…I'll switch the sound down and read the subtitles and leave you Europhile to speak among yourselves!
It seems I have the only post on this thread that comments on watching a bike race. Most of the thread is a fight between different European countries about which pronunciation is correct. It has gone from my comment on me being unable to understand the names of riders and teams when Hatch is reporting on the peleton in French, Italian and Spanish so rapidly that it is just a garbled mess.So let me get this straight - because you are paying for the service you demand that foreign names are pronounced wrongly? In what way is that respect for paying viewer? Maybe if paying viewer is not capable of understanding foreign names, he should not be following international sports… it’s clearly too complicated for “the paying viewer”.
But what bothers me the most in all your postings, is the nationalistic vibe I’m getting from them. For instance:
If I understand correctly, here you are not bothered by the pronunciation anymore but simply by Rob Hatch being too passionate about the foreign city? I think I know what’s going on here…
No, but she took mine when I expressed disappointment that Sagan did not win the Yorkshire worlds instead of Mads P, so I think I have the right to reciprocate.
I think we are going to see some wonderful racing full of attacks over those hills in the end, with so may riders having a chance at the maglia rosa. Could be a great show. Can't wait!
Imagine if the Commonwealth Bank Cycling Classic was still around.I didn't realize Ronde van Vlaanderen and Tour of Flanders was the same race for a couple months reading this forum. Then I thought everything that had the word "tour" in it was a stage race and one day races were like Paris-Roubaix.
On the topic of accents, should we be pronouncing Bevin as Bivven?Place of birth is only one, sometimes rather insignificant, factor in somebody's national identity.
So if there were two García s, one from Andalusia and the other from Asturias, they should be given different pronunciations. Should we be saying Dan Martin's name with the longer, depressed sounding a of a Birmingham accent?
Yes, he is. And I like it.But the big question, of course will be; How will Rob Hatch pronounce the names?
Is he even commentating the Giro?