Rolland doping?

[craig1985]

His jawline looks normal to me, but I'm no expert in human biology and what a normal jawline is meant to look like.

 

[frenchfry]

one only has to look at the face of Rolland to tell he has had some might fine atrophy gear and testo/growth factors, to 1. strip all non-functional tissue from his body, and especially his face. And see his jaw line. Out of the Amelie Mauresmo, "I am a guy's jawline" school for the Better Living thru Chemsitry and Doping Alchemy.

Finally some undisputable scientific evidence!

 

[danjo007]

Innocent until proven guilty. But I can't stand his face already

hahah, neither can I.
but even worse is #183, cyril gautier. i just want to smack him every time his goofy face appears on TV.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

one only has to look at the face of Rolland to tell he has had some might fine atrophy gear and testo/growth factors, to 1. strip all non-functional tissue from his body, and especially his face. And see his jaw line. Out of the Amelie Mauresmo, "I am a guy's jawline" school for the Better Living thru Chemsitry and Doping Alchemy.

I cannot wait for blackcat to analyze Rolland's personality by measuring the bumps on his head.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Number of posts on this forum do not correlate with number of years watching cycling so if you dismiss my opinion up to you.

I watched a very different tour stage today than what I am used to. Top GC contenders all looked like they had put in some effort at the end while in years past they all looked fresher than most people after walking to the mailbox.

I am suprised a domestique wins the day with what appears to be plenty of energy in the third week of the biggest race on the planet.

Bernhard Kohl collapsed with exhaustion at the top of Alpe d'Huez in 2008. David Moncoutié seemingly had more left in the tank atop Sierra Nevada in 2009 than most of the GC men behind him.

Be careful judging things on how tired people are. People have different thresholds, and/or display it in different ways.

 

[Irish2009]

So measuring peoples faces and jawlines, sounds like this forum has some Aryan Race Nazis aboard.

 

[Willy_Voet]

one only has to look at the face of Rolland to tell he has had some might fine atrophy gear and testo/growth factors, to 1. strip all non-functional tissue from his body, and especially his face. And see his jaw line. Out of the Amelie Mauresmo, "I am a guy's jawline" school for the Better Living thru Chemsitry and Doping Alchemy.

I hadn't considered that before, but now that you mention it, he does have the face of a doper. I added that as #13 above. Thanks!

 

[Willy_Voet]

I cannot wait for blackcat to analyze Rolland's personality by measuring the bumps on his head.

Are you saying he has a doper's personality? Should I add that to the list, too?

 

[hrotha]

Are you saying he has a doper's personality? Should I add that to the list, too?

You could add that all the letters in "doper" can be found in "Pierre Rolland". Some of them even twice.

 

[timmers]

Are you saying he has a doper's personality? Should I add that to the list, too?

What you can add to the list is that there are some tossers {possibly 99ers) who have had their brains scrambled by aliens so they post stupid comments.

Nothing is certain in life but of the following I am: Europcar has not had a positive test in the 2011 Tdf to date, Tommy Vockler loves attention, many americans who travel to France act like tossers and Pierre Rolland looks like a good guy.

But hey I live on the other side of the world not Aus so what do I know!!

 

[Cycle Chic]

http://translate.googleusercontent....ropcar&usg=ALkJrhiKxLMZuVqFon3F4Gy58EYgQ7rLjA


What do you think this means ? the translation doesnt really explain what the journalist is getting at ? any ideas ??

 

[sniper]

http://translate.googleusercontent....ropcar&usg=ALkJrhiKxLMZuVqFon3F4Gy58EYgQ7rLjA


What do you think this means ? the translation doesnt really explain what the journalist is getting at ? any ideas ??

if you can get me the article in French and in full, I might be able to get an idea.
I think the article is about how unlikely rolland's victory is, and how likely he is to be doped to the gills, leaving behind sanchez and contador. but there are only three lines that i can read.

 

[function]

Be careful judging things on how tired people are. People have different thresholds, and/or display it in different ways.

Absolutely, all this guesswork based on facial expressions is ridiculous.

 

[function]

one only has to look at the face of Rolland to tell he has had some might fine atrophy gear and testo/growth factors, to 1. strip all non-functional tissue from his body, and especially his face. And see his jaw line. Out of the Amelie Mauresmo, "I am a guy's jawline" school for the Better Living thru Chemsitry and Doping Alchemy.

You likely won't believe this, but losing weight isn't an indicator of being on drugs.

 

[sniper]

You likely won't believe this, but losing weight isn't an indicator of being on drugs.

in cycling, loosing weight is actually an indicator. It's very far from being proof of doping, but it's an indicator nonetheless.

for rolland i don't know, because i don't know if he was fat before.
but if you're too heavy, and suddenly you're not, well, that's an indication in cycling.
for instance, loosing weight is why AC was on CLEN in 2010.

 

[function]

in cycling, loosing weight is actually an indicator. It's very far from being proof of doping, but it's an indicator nonetheless.

for rolland i don't know, because i don't know if he was fat before.
but if you're too heavy, and suddenly you're not, well, that's an indication in cycling.
for instance, loosing weight is why AC was on CLEN in 2010.

That's a useful indicator as it would mean that come spring all competitive cyclists may be on drugs... I think I'll leave the facial expressions and other pseudo science to you experts.

 

[Roninho]

To be honest, i had Rolland in my tourpool, so him getting the white jersey and/or getting a win and/or finishing close to the top 10 GC wasn't a total surprise for me. Unfortunately after being a cycling fan for 15 years i have become quite a cynic, and the combination of him doing great, Voeckler being one of the 5 best riders this TDF, their domestiques also being quite impressive and them being on a small team all performing like they are the superstar team. Let's just say i'm hoping i'm wrong but i wouldn't be suprised if they did indeed got on a good programm.

 

[Frosty]

Rolland won the mountains jersey in the Dauphine in 2008, then came 21st in the tour in 2009 at the age of 22 on a course that wasnt exactly suited to a climber. In 2010 his form wasnt so good, maybe he was aiming for the Dauphine or overtrained? I suppose it might take a few tours to determine what intensity of training a rider can take? Then this year he didnt do as well as his team-mates in the Dauphine but maybe they were aiming him more at the tour. Wasnt surprised to see him do well in the tour but winning alpe d'huez when he started up with only a relatively small lead was a surprise.

 

[pmcg76]

Interesting that Rolland is very suspicious but I have not heard a peep about Rein Taaramae who after all only finished aprrox 30 seconds behind Rolland on GC and rides for an equally small team and has no prior Tour performances.

The perception of visibility perhaps??

 

[hrotha]

Interesting that Rolland is very suspicious but I have not heard a peep about Rein Taaramae who after all only finished aprrox 30 seconds behind Rolland on GC and rides for an equally small team and has no prior Tour performances.

The perception of visibility perhaps??

The difference is that Rein's performance wasn't complemented by Cofidis as a whole (Moncoutié was up there in that stage Hushovd won, but other than that...), coupled with the fact that Taaramäe was struggling and almost never quite climbing with the best, unlike Rolland (who lost time in the first week, and then had to wait on Voeckler in a couple of stages).

 

[roundabout]

Interesting that Rolland is very suspicious but I have not heard a peep about Rein Taaramae who after all only finished aprrox 30 seconds behind Rolland on GC and rides for an equally small team and has no prior Tour performances.

The perception of visibility perhaps??

By my quick count Taaramäe lost something like 7 minutes to Rolland on 4 big mountain stages.

 

[Frosty]

Taaramae has form in one week races though, such as Paris-Nice. I think he has only ridden in 3 grand tours, the vuelta 2009 where he went stage-hunting and then the tour in 2010 which i think he said he went into tired and then lost 17 minutes on the Arenberg stage (through a crash) and retired half-way through. I think he had been aiming at the tour this year and the odds before the tour had him about 15th-18th favourite for a top 10 place (no link available though). Given the favourites who crashed out he probably finished where he was expected to.

 

[hrotha]

http://www.lalsace.fr/actualite/2011/07/24/le-docteur-megret-sur-ses-gardes

Le médecin de la FFC [Armand Mégret] s’alarme d’une « reprise des comportements déviants » après avoir constaté une augmentation de 73 % des anomalies biologiques chez les coureurs français, notamment des administrations abusives de fer, souvent associées à des prises d’EPO.

Rough translation, as I don't actually speak French:

The doctor of the French cycling federation [Armand Mégret] is alarmed by a "rise in devious behaviours" after noting an increase of 73% in biological anomalies among French riders, particularly iron abuse, often associated with the use of EPO

 

[sniper]

http://www.lalsace.fr/actualite/2011/07/24/le-docteur-megret-sur-ses-gardes

Rough translation, as I don't actually speak French:

interesting.

he thinks voeckler is clean:

Je le connais depuis qu’il est passé pro, et je n’ai jamais eu de problème avec lui. Il a des capacités mentales et physiologiques au-dessus de la norme.

"I know him since he turned a pro and I never had any problems with him. He has mental and physical capacities that exceed the norm."
http://www.lalsace.fr/actualite/2011/07/24/le-docteur-megret-sur-ses-gardes

 

[Sasquatch]

Case for Rolland doping:

1. He won
2. He's French and finished ahead of non-French riders
3. He rides on the same team as the infamous Tommy "Dope"ler
4. He's never won anything big before
5. Lance Armstrong called him a "rockstar"
6. His performance was "unbelievable"
7. He pulled in the valley before the climb
8. He dropped Contador
9. Europcar are a new team riding at the front of the TdF
10. He looks like crap when he's climbing (I'll credit that to zigmeister)
11. He reminds us of Ullrich (thanks No_Balls)
12. He has the 26th fastest time up the Alpe, rivaling the best times of the 1980's.
13. His has the face of a doper (thanks blackcat!)
14. You can spell "doper" by rearrange the letters in his name. (thanks torah, I mean hrotha!)

Think you need to get your facts straight before you accuse people of doping.

Europcar a new team? Lol. Surely that is a joke?