Rolland doping?

[Frosty]

Huh? Rolland won the stage.

I think he was in a break that had gained c. 30 seconds by the foot of alpe d'huez.

 

[Cyivel]

Huh? Rolland won the stage.

He was ahead before climb of Alpe d'Huez started.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

He was ahead before climb of Alpe d'Huez started.

Only 38 seconds in a 2 man break with Ryder.
Got caught by Contador.

Bridged to Contador with Sanchez, then dropped them both.

 

[hrotha]

Europcar keeps getting weird little incidents like this one, and now Bernaudeau is blatantly lying (about there being no time after the test for the results to be known and for him to withdraw, about being greenlighted by the MPCC doctor).

This stinks. It's stunk for 2 years now.

 

[Cyivel]

Only 38 seconds in a 2 man break with Ryder.
Got caught by Contador.

Bridged to Contador with Sanchez, then dropped them both.

I thought you were questioning Rolland having a slower time, if I got the wrong end of the stick, my mistake.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I thought you were questioning Rolland having a slower time, if I got the wrong end of the stick, my mistake.

No, not at all, you made a good point, Cyvel. Thanks.

 

[DirtyWorks]

That's a useful indicator as it would mean that come spring all competitive cyclists may be on drugs... I think I'll leave the facial expressions and other pseudo science to you experts.

Good job restating claim to make it absurd. What's defied 50+ years of high performance cycling is the loss of additional weight and permanent gains in power.

Prior to the still not tested AICAR and easily tested clenbuterol, "skinny" was a completely different descriptor than the "skinny" seen on a number of stage racing riders 2012/2013.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Good job restating claim to make it absurd. What's defied 50+ years of high performance cycling is the loss of additional weight and permanent gains in power.

Prior to the still not tested AICAR and easily tested clenbuterol, "skinny" was a completely different descriptor than the "skinny" seen on a number of stage racing riders 2012/2013.

I seem to remember some comments at the 2010 TdF from some Tour official on how amazingly skinny the riders were looking. Even the Uniballer was looking ridiculously lean.

 

[Telmisartan new]

Is anyone genuinely surprised by this?,Europcar have been under suspicion for a long time,Tommy "Constipated" Voeckler (Jelantik's words) winning KOM looked suspect to me,Turgot had a problem a while back,think it may have been a whereabouts violation,his Roubaix runner-up performance was a bit out the blue and Rolland whilst being a popular rider has produced some stunning performances which could be natural talent but more than likely not.Europcar not to be trusted IMO and that's stating the obvious.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

If Rolland is doping he should give the placebos back and ask for the real stuff. Apart from a handful of stage wins what has he done ? A couple of Top 10s. If he is doping and that's the best he can do, like Hinault said "I don't have high hopes anymore For Rolland."

When did Hinault say that. I am surprised a little....

 

[webvan]

And of course Megret knows a thing, or two, about doping since he was the "doctor" of Guimard's teams for years helping cyclists beat the tests. WTF are people like this still doing around?!

 

[movingtarget]

When did Hinault say that. I am surprised a little....

Sorry I can't remember where I read it. Either on this website or in a cycling magazine earlier this year.

 

[Big Doopie]

take a note, clean spaniards. LOL

Honestly, Rolland's manner always amazed me too. Absolutely non-climber style. Pushing and walking at 39x19 at any grades... Very odd.

Spinning only came in vogue with the arrival of o2 vector drugs and blood doping. Best then to tax the expanded aerobic system.

Check out Hinault, Lemond, thevenet and Merckx and tell me what gears they climbed with.

They weren't spinning up mountains. They were grinding.

 

[Mr.38%]

They weren't spinning up mountains. They were grinding.

If they had 10/11 speed drivertrains, 39T or even compact chainrings and > 27T sprockets they probably would have been spinning.

Hyperglide, STIs and stiffer frames/bars/stems helped, too. Ever tried to spin a 753 steel noodle? I ride one day by day to/from work and I put a huge singlespeed gear on for that reason.

 

[Big Doopie]

Great news today. Extra French testing showing its benefits. While disappointed to have to withdraw my support of Rolland, I do so fully and encouraged by the French system that remains light years ahead of countries where judges order the destruction of evidence pointing directly at their champions. At least here there can be some trust from the public. Most elsewhere, that trust must remain nonexistent.

 

[SeriousSam]

Spinning only came in vogue with the arrival of o2 vector drugs and blood doping. Best then to tax the expanded aerobic system.

Check out Hinault, Lemond, thevenet and Merckx and tell me what gears they climbed with.

They weren't spinning up mountains. They were grinding.

Pretty sure those drugs work just as well for grinding. Ullrich didn't seem have to have any problem doing a sub 39min alpe with a huge gear.

 

[Ferminal]

Gonchar, Karpets? Mustafa Sayar

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Pretty sure those drugs work just as well for grinding. Ullrich didn't seem have to have any problem doing a sub 39min alpe with a huge gear.

Thats the Lance factor kicking in. Because he rode on a ridiculous gear people seem to think other epofuelled riders did the same. Not the case.

Rolland:

After the denial of his team manager at Europcar, Bernaudeau, Pierre Rolland wanted to express himself on his case. As a reminder, the rider abandoned during the last stage of the Dauphine on Sunday officially due to tendinitis of the Achilles tendon. It was then found that the rate of cortisol was too low for him to take the start of the stage , according to the regulation of the Movement for Credible Cycling (MPCC). " I want to say that my rate was not collapsed but just low , "said Pierre Rolland Monday night on his Facebook Account. "This does not necessarily require an immediate shutdown but further examinations later to verify that this is not a medical problem." "Today my image is affected. Know that I bike to win races and be recognized for the my values and not to be pointed at . "

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Rolland-reagit/377733

 

[IndianCyclist]

I am disappointed at Europcar. I suspect that they are into cortisone fueled team sanctioned doping. Last year also there was some suspicion.
After all cortisone is for grinding & EPO/transfusions is for high cadence.

 

[SeriousSam]

After all cortisone is for grinding & EPO/transfusions is for high cadence.

And clenbuterol is for dancing on the pedals.

 

[Big Doopie]

I am disappointed at Europcar. I suspect that they are into cortisone fueled team sanctioned doping. Last year also there was some suspicion.
After all cortisone is for grinding & EPO/transfusions is for high cadence.

I am disappointed too. And I agree, based on the cortisone fumes emanating from europecar the team is suspect without a doubt.

While this is absolutely cheating it is important to note that again it was the tougher French testing that even caught this.

Do any other countries have these tests?

 

[hfer07]

Pardon my ignorance-or rather my short memory- but if a cyclist has a low Cortisol levels -what it means as far as doping program??? obviously weight loss is linked to it-but it means there are doping products being ingested to inhibit Cortisol production to achieve it? According to the LA Codex it was the other way around to get better performance though....

 

[Ferminal]

When you introduce a hormone exogenously it often dampens the endogenous production. So you have high levels when you use it but after that effect wears off it's still going to take a while after for your own production to recover.

 

[hfer07]

And clenbuterol is for dancing on the pedals.

Did LA use Clen on the infamous 2001 Alpe when Phil Liggett called it out?

 

[proffate]

Pretty sure those drugs work just as well for grinding. Ullrich didn't seem have to have any problem doing a sub 39min alpe with a huge gear.

plus Pantani