Rujano can win this Giro, believes Savio

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yes, I think South American cyclists are bull****ting most of the time. Didn't Rujano call Andy Schleck NOT a pure climber? Lol.

And Joaquim the second best climber? Yeah, in what world is that?

If the pace is slower on European climbs than someone should tell the Colombians to stop getting dropped on them. Yeah, Rujano has proven him self. Colombian cyclists? Not so much.

how about soler. he came out of nowhere and followed the best in 2007. the guy finished 6th in vuelta colombia before that. also look at castilla leon, that steep climb what a show the colombians gave. man in real climbing there's no country better than colombia and is perfectly normal as they have hundreds of pro cyclists. huge cycling tradition and culture and are physically superior for these environments. they live for generations on plateau's of 3000 metres. they are born for long endurance and climbing efforts. pls read the book kings of the mountains by matt rendell

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Think you should rewatch Etna Quite a big difference between the two.

3 seconds :lolcry:

 

[El Pistolero]

how about soler. he came out of nowhere and followed the best in 2007. the guy finished 6th in vuelta colombia before that. also look at castilla leon, that steep climb what a show the colombians gave. man in real climbing there's no country better than colombia and is perfectly normal as they have hundreds of pro cyclists. huge cycling tradition and culture and are physically superior for these environments. they live for generations on plateau's of 3000 metres. they are born for long endurance and climbing efforts. pls read the book kings of the mountains by matt rendell

Yes, Soler as well. But I meant the Colombians at this Giro.

Though Duarte was good as well, but hasn't gotten the change to proof him self yet in Europe.

 

[El Pistolero]

3 seconds :lolcry:

I'm talking about the gap Contador closed so quickly

Contador's first acceleration is always the most powerful one. They're really two different kind of climbers. But Contador definitely has more panache.

 

[hrotha]

Ah, Ryo bringing up Castilla y León but conveniently forgetting about Asturias, where they were the overwhelming favourites in this forum.

 

[Jamsque]

Hey guess what, you don't get to call yourself 'best climber in the world', or even second or third best, after one GT. Contador has earned that crown by dominating the slopes of nearly every stage race he's entered over the course of four years. Even supposing Rujano does continue to climb well this Giro, he still has a LONG way to go to prove that he can actually produce this kind of performance more than once every five years. Soler is a perfect parallel: he had one GT of great climbing and has sucked ever since, would you call him one of the best climbers in the world, even just after his one great GT?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

prove to you that is. he called himself 3rd best climber in the world. europeans will think he has to show something in gt's for that well I can tell you there are dozens of colombians who have never raced in europe and are better climbers than 95% of the pt peloton. see vuelta catalunya how alex cano out of nothing climbed with the best there behind contador.

about asturias. yes they disapointed there although baez was like the best climber in that race but they totally f'd tactics and the weather was horrible you have to say and they suck mostly in rain and thunderstorms. I admitt 100% that in tactics, itt, flat, sprint, downhil they are less or sometimes much less than europeans but hey this takes also time to adapt. and they should be given that time, look at other pct teams trying in pt races?? they get their asses kicked completely. cep finished in top 3 of team gt in andorra stage in their first race of the season, while ccc, andalucia and caja rural finished dead last.

 

[TRDean]

Rujano has now officially won the award for the most posts to rider weight ratio on this forum. Jeez for crying out loud...when he wins a stage and distances himself from AC lets talk.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm talking about the gap Contador closed so quickly

Contador's first acceleration is always the most powerful one. They're really two different kind of climbers. But Contador definitely has more panache.

contador has more panache no doubt he also has more trouble keeping high rhythm after that. rujano doesn;'t hav the panache but can hold an incredible rhythm.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Rujano has now officially won the award for the most posts to rider weight ratio on this forum. Jeez for crying out loud...when he wins a stage and distances himself from AC lets talk.

this topic is about him so don;t read it if you don't like

 

[TRDean]

prove to you that is. he called himself 3rd best climber in the world. europeans will think he has to show something in gt's for that well I can tell you there are dozens of colombians who have never raced in europe and are better climbers than 95% of the pt peloton. see vuelta catalunya how alex cano out of nothing climbed with the best there behind contador.

about asturias. yes they disapointed there although baez was like the best climber in that race but they totally f'd tactics and the weather was horrible you have to say and they suck mostly in rain and thunderstorms. I admitt 100% that in tactics, itt, flat, sprint, downhil they are less or sometimes much less than europeans but hey this takes also time to adapt. and they should be given that time, look at other pct teams trying in pt races?? they get their asses kicked completely. cep finished in top 3 of team gt in andorra stage in their first race of the season, while ccc, andalucia and caja rural finished dead last.

Ryo...he may very well be one of the best climbers..but getting shelled on other stages does him no good.

 

[TRDean]

this topic is about him so don;t read it if you don't like

The title of the thread is about him winning the Giro...and I have been reading it and laughing quite a bit!

 

[El Pistolero]

contador has more panache no doubt he also has more trouble keeping high rhythm after that. rujano doesn;'t hav the panache but can hold an incredible rhythm.

Uhm, not really. Rujano wasn't going all that fast anymore until he could suck Contador's wheel to protect him against the wind. And he still got dropped out of his wheel.

In case you didn't notice, Contador rode the last 7km all by him self.

Besides, Contador is the time trial specialist here, not Rujano.

 

[Publicus]

I remember here and other places how he got laughed at for calling himself the 3rd best climber in the world. well it seems he was actually too humble as he's now the 2nd best climber in the world and after this giro the best climber in the world. goodbye with contador

actually rai asked him about this yesterday and he said I was deadly serious. but after yesterday I wasn't even near 100% shape and I could already follow contador I will now try to win 2 of next 3 mountainstages

how can you not love this guy! _O_

Let's assume Rujano isn't on his best form yet and that will come in the next week as he says. Do you think Contador has peaked already?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

in colombia they don't soft pedal in the flat. they go harder in flat than most european races. look at averages. now I don't say the flats in colombia is tougher because europe is more tough because of the speed accelrations and ability to go much harder as well as all the nervous pushing in flat etc but in colombia they don't know what it is to stand still. they attack from the get go until the finish, flat or not flat.

I've heard now from colombian riders who said the pace in mountains in colombia is higher than in europe so I tend to believe that yes. rujano literally said he will be on vuelta colombia 2009 shape next week. he doesn;'t even talk anymore about 2005 because he has shown and proven to himself and others the past few years that he is much stronger than in 2005. you think these riders are bullsh*tting and you know better??

btw in 2010 vuelta colombia he got beaten by henao (admittedly, rujano wasn't in shape of 2009). I remember you laughing your *** of when I sayd he will be able to podium giro in his first year. well he will, you didn't expect rujano to follow contador on etna either and accoriding to rujano he isn't near his best shape yet. even he surprised me.

actually i never doubted Rujano, I know he is a talented rider, I never doubted this.. Please point to me where I have Like I've said before, didn't need you to tell me about this guy's potential.

As for Haneo, I laughed at your comments "Haneo will easily podium at the giro"
And yes I doubt this a lot. Not that he isn't a talent, but he will have some learning to do, your fanboyism rids you of any sense, that is clear. Like I said in other threads -which you never replied to, I assume you had no counter- If Sevilla can be up there, I'm sure VaC is the amazing achievement you make it out to be. And don't give me this crap that he was doped at VaC. Could be others too, and Sevilla doped in europe also.. and failed for the most part.

Again a colombian rider or two saying the quality is better there hardly convinces me. I've sad this before, but entertaining attacking rider doesn't mean higher quality.

Have to understand compatring VaC and Gts and such is hardly convincing. No matter how much you overate the race.

I remember here and other places how he got laughed at for calling himself the 3rd best climber in the world. well it seems he was actually too humble as he's now the 2nd best climber in the world and after this giro the best climber in the world. goodbye with contador

lmao you conclude this after one 6-7% stage. hahahahahaha.
and it is debatable if going early, and having no one react cause your so far behind was beneficial, when AC caught him when they got on the less steep stuff.

Frank schleck once stayed with conta on a climb (tour 09' anybody). I guess that makes him the 2nd best climber also. get a grip pal.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

sevilla was doped in europe against other dopers, that's a big difference in colombia where his competition isn;t doped. however even doped sevilla managed to be in podium vuelta twice. he failed to win a gt yes but same accounts for colombia. even with dope sevilla was about the 8th best climber in last years vuelta colombia, his 3rd place came due to ttt and itt and henao having to hold up almost everywhere to see if sevilla could get back on.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The title of the thread is about him winning the Giro...and I have been reading it and laughing quite a bit!

then why are you complaning when you find is funny??

 

[El Pistolero]

sevilla was doped in europe against other dopers, that's a big difference in colombia where his competition isn;t doped. however even doped sevilla managed to be in podium vuelta twice. he failed to win a gt yes but same accounts for colombia. even with dope sevilla was about the 8th best climber in last years vuelta colombia, his 3rd place came due to ttt and itt and henao having to hold up almost everywhere to see if sevilla could get back on.

I doubt they're clean in the land of coke.

I bet Boonen's on his way to win the VaC right now.

 

[Bala Verde]

I liked this guy Link

 

[hrotha]

sevilla was doped in europe against other dopers, that's a big difference in colombia where his competition isn;t doped. however even doped sevilla managed to be in podium vuelta twice. he failed to win a gt yes but same accounts for colombia. even with dope sevilla was about the 8th best climber in last years vuelta colombia, his 3rd place came due to ttt and itt and henao having to hold up almost everywhere to see if sevilla could get back on.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/colombians-announce-doping-positives
It used to be "Colombian riders don't dope in Europe because they love their country". Now it's "Colombian riders are pure virginal athletes riding on unicorns"?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

lol,you are coming with a 3 year old article of riders getting caught on ephedrine. pls

cycling has become cleaner everywhere in the world, even brazil and portugal and also colombia

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I doubt they're clean in the land of coke.

I bet Boonen's on his way to win the VaC right now.

you mean usa?

 

[hrotha]

lol,you are coming with a 3 year old article of riders getting caught on ephedrine. pls

cycling has become cleaner everywhere in the world, even brazil and portugal and also colombia

Well, a 3-year-old piece of news is still better than your "because I say so".

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well, a 3-year-old piece of news is still better than your "because I say so".

uhh, actually you have to prove they are doping I don't need to prove that they aren't because none were caught on doping at least years vuelta colombia except sevilla, who had the same thing as mosquera

 

[hrotha]

uhh, actually you have to prove they are doping I don't need to prove that they aren't because none were caught on doping at least years vuelta colombia except sevilla, who had the same thing as mosquera

Number of positives during the 1995 Tour de France: zero.