Ryder's blood

[blackcat]

come on, just no one beats ricky riccio! no one beats ricky riccio.

who says? I say.
no one beats ricky riccio

 

[blackcat]

actually, sometimes hildie might beat ricky riccio.

 

[Benotti69]

too many variables?????????????


When will people open their eyes and minds?

I suppose some like to think their heroes are the real mccoys.......

For doping no longer to be part of the fabric of the sport there would have to be independent anti doping with big funds investigating the sport from top to bottom with severe sanctions for those caught.

There isn't, so big races are won by dopers. End of. There is too much reward and little risk for those who play the game.

 

[Nick C.]

Pozzovivo is the only rider that shows up on both charts and he went up 22 seconds faster in 2012? Better drugs in 2012? Tailwind? Trained harder? Improved with age and experience? Tried harder? Better equipment? Better luck/positioning? Better legs? The possibilities are endless.

 

[blackcat]

Pozzovivo is the only rider that shows up on both charts and he went up 22 seconds faster in 2012? Better drugs in 2012? Tailwind? Trained harder? Improved with age and experience? Tried harder? Better equipment? Better luck/positioning? Better legs? The possibilities are endless.

but one tangible.

no one, no one, no one beats ricky riccio

 

[sniper]

come on, just no one beats ricky riccio! no one beats ricky riccio.

who says? I say.
no one beats ricky riccio

I see a doped up Kreuziger there losing almost one and a half minute on clean Hesjedal on an 8km climb.
Good to see doping makes you weaker.

 

[Parker]

I see a doped up Kreuziger there losing almost one and a half minute on clean Hesjedal on an 8km climb.
Good to see doping makes you weaker.

Kreuziger attacked 25km from the finish. He won the stage.

This is a prime example of someone who just looks at the times and jumps to a conclusion without actually watching the race.

 

[burning]

I see a doped up Kreuziger there losing almost one and a half minute on clean Hesjedal on an 8km climb.
Good to see doping makes you weaker.

Yeah, lets forget that he attacked on the first ascent of Pampeago.

Edit: I checked and looks like I forgot about that climb between 2 ascents, still his ride is not comparable to Hesjedal.

Kreuziger was in the break all day. He won the stage.

This is a prime example of someone who just looks at the times and jumps to a conclusion without actually watching the race.

He attacked around 25k to go, he was not in the first breakaway.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Kreuziger was in the break all day. He won the stage.

This is a prime example of someone who just looks at the times and jumps to a conclusion without actually watching the race.

Kreuziger was nevertheless 4 seconds faster than Emanuele Sella, who was also in the break of the day, and who was chocked full of CERA.

The 2012 stage was harder than 2008's, but Sella was solo longer iirc.

 

[Parker]

He attacked around 25k to go, he was not in the first breakaway.

Yeah, I corrected it. 'All day' was something of an exaggeration.

 

[burning]

Yeah, I corrected it. 'All day' was something of an exaggeration.

I thought you literally mean "All day", your point still stands though.

 

[Parker]

I thought you literally mean "All day", your point still stands though.

To be honest I rarely get to see the last week of a Giro as I'm usually away so I didn't really know how long he'd been out there. (I was in Croatia when it actually happened)

 

[Benotti69]

Kreuziger attacked 25km from the finish. He won the stage.

This is a prime example of someone who just looks at the times and jumps to a conclusion without actually watching the race.

What conclusion that Kreuziger is a doper?

The only conclusion a sane thinking person would draw is that the only change in the sport is better doping techniques........

 

[sniper]

Kreuziger attacked 25km from the finish. He won the stage.

This is a prime example of someone who just looks at the times and jumps to a conclusion without actually watching the race.

i see you had to edit your post because you got it wrong.
prime example indeed.

 

[Parker]

What conclusion that Kreuziger is a doper?

No. The conclusion that on that day Kreuziger was 'weaker'.

 

[Parker]

i see you had to edit your post because you got it wrong.
prime example indeed.

I knew he won the stage though - the details were just overstated. And I didn't make any judgements on the performances either, did I?

 

[sniper]

No. The conclusion that on that day Kreuziger was 'weaker'.

fair enough, he was weaker the whole three weeks.

 

[sniper]

I knew he won the stage though - the details were just overstated. And I didn't make any judgements on the performances either, did I?

that fact had already been established independently.

 

[thehog]

Kreuziger had dropped for 2 days prior. Rested up prior to his performance. Ryder, no.

 

[Master50]

What conclusion that Kreuziger is a doper?

The only conclusion a sane thinking person would draw is that the only change in the sport is better doping techniques........

I just have to ask. when you are out with your riding buddies and one of you has a great day do you automatically look for the dope? It just that you always go straight to doping for any winner. If you have a great day do you sit at home for 2 years right after to show contrition? Or is it just that you think this is clever?

 

[sniper]

ammattipyoraily on twitter has a very interesting table showing climb times up Alpe Di Pampeago from Giro 2008 and Giro 2012.

Menchov climbed it the fastest in 2008 with a time of 25:23

Hesjedal climbed it the fastest in 2012 with a time of 25:00.

ammattipyoraily also notices that Menchov had an output that day of 5.98 W/kg.
So Hesjedal was likely crossing JV's 6.0 W/kg threshhold.

 

[Digger]

I think it's time we backed off Ryder. Jv says he's clean, and jv says he believes him when Ryder said he stopped doping before phonak. That's enough for me.

 

[thehog]

I think it's time we backed off Ryder. Jv says he's clean, and jv says he believes him when Ryder said he stopped doping before phonak. That's enough for me.

I’m good with that as well. He deserved not to be suspended. It wouldn’t have been fair if he got a 6 month suspension. Certainly not for doping for most of his career and robbing other riders who were clean. The fact that he came forward and was open and honest means he shouldn’t be banned.

 

[sniper]

2012 was a great year for clean cycling, says Vaughters.
In fact, it was an incredible year.

"And the testing in place now is very effective. My guess is fewer than 5 percent [of riders are doping]. When I crunch the numbers like mean hemoglobin, basically we see that if you took 200 people off the street you'd get a very similar average level. Climbing speeds are less impressive than in 20 years. To me, the combination of those factors means that if doping is occurring, it's at a small level and it's not effective. It's not going to win you the race every time. Not even close. While it is impossible and unrealistic to eliminate cheating in any sport, to me the doping problem in cycling is contained enough today that talented, hard-working riders on the best teams win the majority of top races. For the first time in 100 years of cycling, that formula is working more often than it ever has. 2012 was an incredible year for clean cycling. And we're on a good track for 2013."
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...te-talks-doping-espn-magazine-interview-issue

perhaps he meant that rather literally.
'Clean' Hesjedal beating times and outputs of proven dopers Kreuziger, Menchov and Ricco. Time for Garmin/Hesjedal believers to join the discussion.
Anybody?

 

[Netserk]

How is Kreuziger a proven doper? Not that his time in relation to Hesjedal matters much giving the race situation.