Ryder's blood

[Taxus4a]

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I dont see any puzzles. Guy dopes. It only came out after another doper outed him that he doped. Ryder had no intention of admitting and if not for Rasmussen he would still be lying to everyone about his past. He never tested positive, knows how with JVs internal testing how to beat the system and has won a GT against Ferrari doped teams. It aint no puzzle. JV's BS about 'machine calibration errors' just abut funny as Armstrong's "we like our credibilty".

Everybody lies about his past becouse has ometimes consecuences. But what does mean about today? Nothing.

It was necesary another kind of transition.

 

[Anaconda]

Re: Re:

I dont see any puzzles. Guy dopes. It only came out after another doper outed him that he doped. Ryder had no intention of admitting and if not for Rasmussen he would still be lying to everyone about his past. He never tested positive, knows how with JVs internal testing how to beat the system and has won a GT against Ferrari doped teams. It aint no puzzle. JV's BS about 'machine calibration errors' just abut funny as Armstrong's "we like our credibilty".

Everybody lies about his past becouse has ometimes consecuences. But what does mean about today? Nothing.

It was necesary another kind of transition.

Good grief, yeah no joke doping has a consequence. Also to those who did not want to dope/cheat/lie and lost out on a career, $'s etc. When you are adult enough to be making 6-7 figure salary you know that, and how it could go if (big if) you get caught. Shows the sort of character that these guys have. Not willing to man up, instead Ryder lawyered up to avoid an outing. Ryder thought he could hide behind the SOL when his name came up (certainly in Barry's affadavit). But finally as Ras said and proved the truth always comes out.

So what does this all mean about today? Honestly what's the word of these guys worth anyway? There was no reasoned decision or proper investigation, I imagine just a few timid questions from the Canadian authorities and an agreement to keep the whole affair hush hush.

Necessary transition or not, the sooner this generation is gone the better.

Back at Trek Corp., where he admitted doping as a roadie and mtn biker.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I dont see any puzzles. Guy dopes. It only came out after another doper outed him that he doped. Ryder had no intention of admitting and if not for Rasmussen he would still be lying to everyone about his past. He never tested positive, knows how with JVs internal testing how to beat the system and has won a GT against Ferrari doped teams. It aint no puzzle. JV's BS about 'machine calibration errors' just abut funny as Armstrong's "we like our credibilty".

Everybody lies about his past becouse has ometimes consecuences. But what does mean about today? Nothing.

It was necesary another kind of transition.

You ok with riders lying? Where do the lies stop and truth emerge? Why lie about anything?

Did you know I won the TdF years ago, nearly won a giro except for the cheating Italians using round wheels when we had to use square ones..............as for my monuments palmares, huge i tell ya!

 

[Benotti69]

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when ***** gets unreal!

 

[thehog]

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Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

No way, remember doping makes Ryder go slower , it was only when he jumped aboard the clean Slipstream ship that he began to find his true awesomeness..........

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance last year, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance last year, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.

Horner didn't ride the Vuelta last year.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance xxxx <two years ago>, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.

Horner didn't ride the Vuelta last year.

Thanks and sorry. My bad.

Ryder has just 7 years left to match Horner! 8 years to outdo him

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance xxxx <two years ago>, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.

Horner didn't ride the Vuelta last year.

Thanks and sorry. My bad.

Ryder has just 7 years left to match Horner! 8 years to outdo him

Dave.

Not sure what Horner has to do with RH & doping through his career and getting off without a ban.

Well in saying that both Ryder & Horner made good money from doping and never being sanctioned.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Re: Re:

Well at least with Trek no one will give a fig about believing Ryder's results now. No need for "crazy adaptive physiology" or "machine calibration errors" excuses when *** gets unreal!

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance last year, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.

Horner didn't ride the Vuelta last year.

Can we rename you 'porcellino"?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Don Porcello?

 

[thehog]

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Don Porcello?

Belle parole non pascon i gatti.

 

[sniper]

Ryder's doc William Pettis, who was also Hincapie's doc, is an age doc.
When William set up his business on Hawaii, Ryder soon followed.
If anybody still doubted what that longlasting relationship between Ryder and William Pettis is all about:

Re Michael Buckley

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/endurance-training/competitive-cat-1-masters-cyclist-supplement-questions-1476753.html

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Latest_Masters_Cycling_Doper__P5900497/

Oscar73

Hello, I'm new to this thread. I am a 40 year old national competitive category 1 cyclist. I recently saw an age doctor who prescribed the following:
.5ml depo-test 200mg/ml 1x per week
.1ml HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - /arginine 6x per week
.2ml sermorelin 6x per week
.5mg arimidex 2x per week
25mg DHEA daily
25mg pregnenolone daily
5g d-ribose before training daily
500mg microhydrin 1x daily before training daily

He also recommended 4500 velvet deer antler extract...I used before above cycle and had positive results...thoughts?
I will be tested in middle of May at Nationals, when should I stop this cycle so I don't get popped? USADA test
I'm reading about other stuff on this site I have never heard of before...GW, MK, S4? What is this stuff? I have thought about EPO, but looks way too dangerous. Any other stuff I should try that is somewhat safe?
I have been on this program for 5 weeks and have gained around 10#...not really great for a cyclist.
My main question is this: Am I doing this the right way? My goal is to get faster on the bike by May 2016, anything else I should do, or not do?

 

[Maxiton]

Re:

Ryder's doc William Pettis, who was also Hincapie's doc, is an age doc.
When William set up his business on Hawaii, Ryder soon followed.
If anybody still doubted what that longlasting relationship between Ryder and William Pettis is all about:

Re Michael Buckley

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/endurance-training/competitive-cat-1-masters-cyclist-supplement-questions-1476753.html

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Latest_Masters_Cycling_Doper__P5900497/

The key role played by anti-aging doctors in sports doping is interesting. For those who aren't familiar with it, there was a great article on the subject written for Outside magazine in 2003. The article was called Drug Test.

For the sake of the article, the reporter who wrote it decided to find out how to dope. His quest soon led him to an anti-aging doctor in California.

After the EPO kicked in, I rode a 200-miler and I felt strong, fresh, ready to hammer. The next day I easily could have ridden another 200.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Ryder's doc William Pettis, who was also Hincapie's doc, is an age doc.
When William set up his business on Hawaii, Ryder soon followed.
If anybody still doubted what that longlasting relationship between Ryder and William Pettis is all about:

Re Michael Buckley

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/endurance-training/competitive-cat-1-masters-cyclist-supplement-questions-1476753.html

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Latest_Masters_Cycling_Doper__P5900497/

The key role played by anti-aging doctors in sports doping is interesting. For those who aren't familiar with it, there was a great article on the subject written for Outside magazine in 2003. The article was called Drug Test.

For the sake of the article, the reporter who wrote it decided to find out how to dope. His quest soon led him to an anti-aging doctor in California.

After the EPO kicked in, I rode a 200-miler and I felt strong, fresh, ready to hammer. The next day I easily could have ridden another 200.

great article. thanks.
indeed, very nicely emphasizes the role of anti-aging docs as doping facilitators and the importance of HGH, a product that is still very hard to test for, although it is claimed to have been a real game changer (especially in combination with EPO) already in the early 90s.
So hgh is highly effective, very easy to come by, there's no decent testing for it, yet we have Cookson and the gang pretending cycling is clean(er). *** me.

so we have Ryder doping in 2003/4 (admitted), then continues to work with an antiaging doc on Hawaii.
Fast forward to 2012, and we have Jonathan Vaughters and Hesjedal insulting the collective intelligence of the pro-cycling audience claiming Hesjedal stopped doping in 2004 because it made him go backwards.

Hesjedal, Vaughters, Cookson.
The .... of the sport.

 

[Taxus4a]

Given to @captainbag1 by JV.

Nov 14, 2011:
Hb: 16.0
Hct: 44.9
Retic: 1.93

Jan 17, 2012:
Hb: 16.1
Hct: 46.9
Retic: 1.66

Feb 29, 2012
Hb: 14.6
Hct: 42.1
Retic: 1.13

May 3, 2012
Hb: 16.0
Hct: 46.0
Retic: 1.76

May 14, 2012
Hb: 14.1
Hct: 42.3
Retic: 1.56

May 17, 2012 AM
Hb: 14.1
Hct: 43.4
Retic: 1.34

May 17, 2012 PM
Hb: 14.1
Hct: 43.4
Retic 1.71

May 18, 2012
Hb:14.4
Hct: 42.6
Retic: 1.74

http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/31367299894/expert-analysis-ryder-hesjedal-2012-giro-blood

I'd like to thank Ryder and JV for being more transparent than 99.9% of the rest of the bunch.

I am gratefull as well, but that information is good information for his rivals. Ryder is a good rider but not a top rider today, so maybe he can do that, for others is to give important information to the enemy. I think that everybody should do that, but I can unertand the are reluctants to do that. They must unerstand is important to stop especulation. I dont need that, but lot of people do. anyways there will be always people here that will have his explanation to think in a bad way, so maybe you give important information to the rivals for nothing.

 

[Spawn of e]

I am gratefull as well, but that information is good information for his rivals. Ryder is a good rider but not a top rider today, so maybe he can do that, for others is to give important information to the enemy. I think that everybody should do that, but I can unertand the are reluctants to do that. They must unerstand is important to stop especulation. I dont need that, but lot of people do. anyways there will be always people here that will have his explanation to think in a bad way, so maybe you give important information to the rivals for nothing.

Why don't you tell us how this info benefits his rivals. Thanks.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro [/quote]

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance xxxx <two years ago>, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.[/quote]

Horner didn't ride the Vuelta last year.[/quote]

Thanks and sorry. My bad.

Ryder has just 7 years left to match Horner! 8 years to outdo him

Dave.[/quote]

Not sure what Horner has to do with RH & doping through his career and getting off without a ban.

Well in saying that both Ryder & Horner made good money from doping and never being sanctioned.[/quote]


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There is nothing make me think that,what is your point to think about that?

Respect Hesjedal, I dont think he won big money in MTB, I think he doped lees than others.

 

[Cannibal72]

Re: Re:

Just to think without Garmin's sophiscated internal testing Ryder is free to go to the fullest extremes of doping and do something crazy like win the Giro

One thing is for sure, based on Horner's performance xxxx <two years ago>, Ryder's got another 8 years to win the Vuelta yet. Cleans of course.

Dave.[/quote]

Horner didn't ride the Vuelta last year.[/quote]

Thanks and sorry. My bad.

Ryder has just 7 years left to match Horner! 8 years to outdo him

Dave.[/quote]

Not sure what Horner has to do with RH & doping through his career and getting off without a ban.

Well in saying that both Ryder & Horner made good money from doping and never being sanctioned.[/quote]


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There is nothing make me think that,what is your point to think about that?

Respect Hesjedal, I dont think he won big money in MTB, I think he doped lees than others.[/quote]

Well, Rasmussen stated he taught Hesjadal how to dope (which Hesjadal admitted was true), and with that kind of teacher, you're definitely going to be a major-league doper.

 

[Taxus4a]

Horner was fresher than the rest in la Vuelta, he published his bllod values, there is nothing to thiunk he was doper. he is very good in monoclimb very step.

There was a time where horner did very good ITT, there is a point to think he doped then, I am not sure, but in la Vuelta there is no reason.

Hesjedal is a very good riderm he howed this Giro he could have beenn podium without that bad hot day at the begining when astana surprised everybody.

He is an endurace rider, very good for 3 weeks.

To know how your bood values changes can help your rivals in the current cycling, I dont jknow exactly the way, I am not an expert, but I know that happens, I just could imagine why. Ask to a team.

 

[chuckmicD]

Yes Taxus. Horner wins Vuelta at 41. Fully natural. He was just so fresh.

 

[Lyon]

Drugs are for losers. Real winners have dodgy blood values.

 

[Scarponi]

I know he does this every year but he has been literally last in mountain stages

 

[thehog]

Yes Taxus. Horner wins Vuelta at 41. Fully natural. He was just so fresh.

Lol!