Ryder's blood

[Taxus4a]

Perhaps you forgot to answer before, it's okay, I will just ask one more time:
When was it, that the dark era ended, and everything became better? I am just really curious, that's why I ask again.

The dark era is the era from 1992 to 2007 for me... but it is difficult to say this year yes, this year no...as with a lot of thinks in life. 2007 to 2011 is a transitional era, Today there is not a clean era, that is impossible in any sport, but we are closer than ever, and closer than many other sports.

This picture is in relation with the transitional era:

I talked always about people involved in biopassport and Adams, the rest of cycling, and that means lot of countries, it is not the same, but It could have change something as well,... but, just a litthe, and by other side maybe it has been worse, with new products as the dangerous GW1415, or Aicar.

 

[Taxus4a]

Hesjedal is cleans.

Yes, he is. The same at most of the peloton.

 

[Cyivel]

Yes, he is. The same at most of the peloton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZMhAdpQCXE

 

[Ferminal]

So we now have 9 of the 18 GTs since 2008 being won by official dopers.

The other 9?

Sastre
Menchov
Nibali (x2)
Evans
Cobo
Wiggins
Froome
Horner

#cleanera

 

[the sceptic]

So we now have 9 of the 18 GTs since 2008 being won by official dopers.

The other 9?

Sastre
Menchov
Nibali (x2)
Evans
Cobo
Wiggins
Froome
Horner

#cleanera

Im looking forward to taxus explaining how all these are clean

 

[Ferminal]

Hey Zorzoli.

 

[thehog]

Yes, he is. The same at most of the peloton.

He diamond in the rough?

 

[blackcat]

Given to @captainbag1 by JV.

snip

http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/31367299894/expert-analysis-ryder-hesjedal-2012-giro-blood

I'd like to thank Ryder and JV for being more transparent than 99.9% of the rest of the bunch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

 

[Taxus4a]

Im looking forward to taxus explaining how all these are clean

I dont have to explain that, they are, if you have proofs of the contrary, show us. It is how thinks works,,, if you have opinion that they could be doped, say one and i could argue.

People dont have to proof they are clean, they do as the moment are involved in the most soficticated antidoping program an sportman have been in the history and that program show they are clean.

If some of them are not really clean, I dont Know, but I am sure they are cleaner than in the past, that is for sure, and I would say all of them are clean riders nowadays, totally clean, no neddle nor anything that could be considered doping today or in the future, even if today we dont know that method or product.

Of course all of them follow sophisticated train programs and are well suported in several ways by theirs teams, this is proffesional sport, but things have changed.

From those names, I would say Menchov was the dirtier, he has been put apart trying to make little noise.

The same for other riders involveld in Padua. Padua take most of the doping riders of the transitional era, and that could be half the peloton, it is a way to talk, seriously, maybe just 50 riders, but 50 riders doping in 2009-2010 could be interpretated for some media and people from forums like this as nothing is changing... so I understand they use this way: silent and put some people away according his data and the biopassport...

I hope more transparency for Cookson, but he must be carefull if he want to be transparent, and be real transparent, not just half transparent as Mc Quaid, becouse other way he wouldnt be credible.

 

[goggalor]

Surprise, surprise. Obviously this throws a massive shadow over his Giro win.

I am actually slightly surprised he was outed by Michael Rasmussen, lol. At least he learned from the best.

 

[Taxus4a]

Hey Zorzoli.

And?? I can think zorzoli is a complice of doping, and part of a corrup UCI, but i can believe in that graphicmand i have see in the road and inside cycling world, what that graphic say

To say that becouse Zorzoli did this graph it is no worthy or is not true is has no sense. Zorzoli was the indicated person to do it, and both if that graphic is ok or not, and I think that is no easy to fake as you think, he had to do it.

Tell me, if you want to discuss, what is the more importante crime of Zorzoli? To have Fuentes phone in his pocket, and?? Tell me more.

I couid assure you that UCI hasnt be more corrupt that OMS/WHO, and your heath depend of them, and you are alive.

 

[BroDeal]

And?? I can think zorzoli is a complice of doping, and part of a corrup UCI, but i can believe in that graphicmand i have see in the road and inside cycling world, what that graphic say
.

 

[the sceptic]

needs to be updated with the 2013 bar going through the roof

 

[IndianCyclist]

Hesjedal went to USADA to talk 10 month ago becouse he wanted.

I am still waiting for a lot of my compatriots to do the same: Rubiera, Contador, Samu,.. and in general a lot of the peloton that raced the dark era.

I am not so sure of that. He might have gone to JV for advice when he would have heard that Rasmussen would be outing him out. JV would advice him to come clean to the Anti doping agencies but not go public. And so he did.

 

[Ferminal]

The "graph" says nothing, it's simple to have "normal" retics and dope with perhaps the exception of the blood withdrawal window (but OoC blood tests are rare). You can't just produce something without explaining why it should correlate (with what?), and try and dance around the massive amounts of doping (and they are just the 100% official ones).

Let's see, 2008 we had:

Ricco
Sella
Piepoli
Beltran
Duenas
Kohl
Schumacher
Rebellin

All testing positive for EPO, where are all the extremely high retics!? Only 1% of samples, I guess they were all the ones who tested positive!

Edit: I'm never doing this again so may as well do it properly.

WARNING, EXTREME RETICS

Oops, you think Horner is clean, so you have a dilemma that the 1/30 <0.4 is either evidence of him doping, or your graph is useless

What about this one?

Right, he already told us he didn't dope in 2009.

Hgb spike at the end of the Vuelta with dodgy retics, but still not <0.4.

 

[blackcat]

I know that those 2 are more than enough gifts to the world, but Canada did also give us awesome bands like; Le Fly Pan Am, The Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra & Tra-La-La Band, Godspeed You! Black Emperor and several more awesome bands which more than make up for dodgy ethics from Canadian athletes! If Spain and Italy produced bands like that Fat Pat would have given them a free pass too.

Yea, well they also gave us Arcade Fire so F**K THEM!

Sloan are the best power-pop band I have heard

 

[thehog]

I think we can thank Hesjedal's prior experience with doping for giving him the strength of character to resist the pressure to dope while riding for Bruyneel and Andy Rihs. Experience matters.




In London, Bruyneel may have a different memory of how it all went down.

Very much so.

He was the one guy in the room saying "no guys, not like this, we can still win clean, we can. I made mistakes, don't you do the same, cheats never prosper.... well only after 8 years they can, but don't do drugs"

 

[Hugh Januss]

Made mistakes 10 years ago bla bla bla. How stupid do all these guys think we are, anyway?

 

[blackcat]

Who in the world starts doping, sees the fantastic results it gives you, then decides "you know what, this isn't for me!"??? In an era when guys were getting away with it, without any worry of getting caught. So we are to believe he starts doping, then decides to stop, but then continues to improve to the point where he wins a GT? Who the hell believes that?!?! I mean, at the time when he was doping, if he just stopped, then his results and performances certainly will have plummeted. You don't go from being a doped up donkey to stopping, and continuing on your upward progression. It would have taken him years to get back to that same level as when he was doping.

JV is the anti doping christ and so are Bruyneel and Rihs

ssshhhhhh
not allowed to speak any meta truths here.

we speak in the truth of plausible deniability.

if the sh!t dont fit, you must acquit.

jv as jonny vaughters cochrane

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Me, me me

Also Nickelback should not be forgotten.

Nickleback should always be forgotten.

 

[The GCW]

From the BBC website:

Headline, in a list of headlines on BBC's homepage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

"Giro winner Hesjedal admits doping."

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Headline on actual article:

"Ryder Hesjedal: Giro d'Italia winner admits past doping"

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BBC's homepage headline is correct but conveniently misleading at the expense of cycling.

 

[goggalor]

So like Armstrong, did Ryder lie in his confession? He said the "mistake" (lol) happened over 10 years ago and was short lived, which is implying he didn't dope after 2003, and definitely not at US Postal or Phonak. Right. And of course not when he won the ****ing Giro d'Italia.

Ryder is another slipstream guy with an imo undeserved "honest" reputation. The guy seems very slippery to me, just like Millar, Vandevelde, Danielson...

 

[sniper]

Headline, in a list of headlines on BBC's homepage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

"Giro winner Hesjedal admits doping."

-0-

Headline on actual article:

"Ryder Hesjedal: Giro d'Italia winner admits past doping"

-0-

BBC's homepage headline is correct but conveniently misleading at the expense of cycling.

misleading, why?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

misleading, why?

It's misleading how by associating the doping with the Giro, rather than a past transgression.

 

[TomasC]

Hesjedal went to USADA to talk 10 month ago becouse he wanted...

I thought Vaughters' policy for hiring dopers was they must admit everything to him and relevant authorities. Hesjedal has been riding for him since 2008. 10 months ago? His list of offences must be quite long if it took him 4 years to compile it.