Ryder's blood

[The Hitch]

someone else not buying the only once in 2003 line from Hesjedal.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...l-hesjedal-doing-cycling-proud-164804084.html

Yes very good.

I like:

That isn't the same Blazing Saddles blog that otherwise serves as Team Sky's version of Armstrongs facts4Lance website?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/people-not-just-accept-sky-better-070313961.html

Is it so hard to believe that a team feted for its seemingly legitimate (and actually quite banal) training methods and scientific approach to the sport have beaten riders who perhaps still ride on feel and with their hearts, not heads?

The one from March which went personally after several twitter users questioning Porte, seems to have been removed.

Please check up on who has written something before praising it. Otherwise you end up looking like the Contador fans who hailed Tinkov.

 

[Benotti69]

That isn't the same Blazing Saddles blog that otherwise serves as Team Sky's version of Armstrongs facts4Lance website?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/people-not-just-accept-sky-better-070313961.html



The one from March which went personally after several twitter users questioning Porte, seems to have been removed.

Please check up on who has written something before praising it. Otherwise you end up looking like the Contador fans who hailed Tinkov.

where did i praise it?

 

[Catwhoorg]

I was just thinking about Ryder's ill gotten gains from doping. One of which is a training base in Hawaii. The only other pro I know of who lived and trained there is LA.

Does anyone know if living and training there presents doping advantages? Does USADA do a lot of testing there? Or is a "safe" place to dope up while training?

How about Garmin? Were they monitoring Ryder at all when he was training in Hawaii?

The nearest WADA lab is LA, which is about 5 hours flight time. Depending where is Hawaii, (I haven't looked to see where he is actually based) there may be another short hop 'internally'.

That's not so far as to make getting to a lab within the 'window' for sample reception especially irksome.

It is further to fly than Tenerife.

 

[The Hitch]

where did i praise it?

hog did, and I quoted both yall.

 

[thehog]

hog did, and I quoted both yall.

I like saddles. I wasn't aware of the Porte article.

I gave up on EuroSport when the Sky-love-in hit town.

I now read JV tweets for comic value. That's enough for me

 

[sniper]

I like saddles. I wasn't aware of the Porte article.

I gave up on EuroSport when the Sky-love-in hit town.

I now read JV tweets for comic value. That's enough for me

jv making overhours retweeting as many apologetic tweets as possible.

jeg2112 ‏@jeg2112 31 Oct

@Vaughters Refreshing that he'd already provided info to USADA, et al. That makes whether he would/wouldn't have gone public irrelevant.
Retweeted by Jonathan Vaughters

 

[caryopsis]

Will Routley pulls no punches:

The thing is, along with doping, these guys also enjoyed the success that goes with it: podium finishes in monumental events such as the Tour de France, fame, success, and money. The pay range would be from $300,000 to $3 million a year (a lot more if you are Lance).

These guys go on to say they quietly stopped cheating on their own accord, and continued racing “clean.” Then in the years of “clean” racing that followed they all seem to incredibly achieve similar success to that seen in the years in which they were doping.

They even pat themselves on the back and say how they are proud of the steps they’ve taken to improve the sport and clean it up. Maybe they just found a larger love of the sport? Or maybe now is a good time to call bull****.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Whistler+cyclist+Will+Routley+says+competitors+used+PEDs+aren+just+cheaters+they+criminals/7502237/story.html

 

[Zam_Olyas]

According to this there might be retesting of ll Giro 2012 blood.

 

[roundabout]

A promising GT career of Thomas De Gendt to be stopped before it really began.

Oh, wait. They will go after a guy who doped sometime in the past, but is not really high on the list of suspicious riders now.

 

[D-Queued]

Will Routley pulls no punches:



http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Whistler+cyclist+Will+Routley+says+competitors+used+PEDs+aren+just+cheaters+they+criminals/7502237/story.html

Just for the record, Will is one guy I actually believe.

It isn't a very long list, though, and he better not ever prove me wrong.

Dave.

 

[neineinei]

According to this there might be retesting of ll Giro 2012 blood.

Retesting now is just a waste of the samples. What new substances or techniques can they detect now that they couldn't detect a year and a half ago? They should do like the IAAF, wait as long as they can before they retest the samples.

If they now at long last wants to retest samples from the Giro they should start with the samples from 2006, then do a set every year, just before the SOL is up. 2008 should be good. que cera, cera

 

[Benotti69]

Retesting now is just a waste of the samples. What new substances or techniques can they detect now that they couldn't detect a year and a half ago? They should do like the IAAF, wait as long as they can before they retest the samples.

If they now at long last wants to retest samples from the Giro they should start with the samples from 2006, then do a set every year, just before the SOL is up. 2008 should be good. que cera, cera

Agree totally.

 

[sniper]

Retesting now is just a waste of the samples. What new substances or techniques can they detect now that they couldn't detect a year and a half ago?

doesn't the very decision to retest suggest they can now detect something they couldnt a year and a half ago? otherwise it would indeed be useless.
(what about aicar?)

 

[blackcat]

no sports orgs, have ever seriously made a fist of retesting samples.

its like catching a bank robber from 5 years ago, when he/she is sunning themself in the Bahamas. if you pop someone then, it only brings bad PR on the sport.

Just

Wont

Happen

 

[TheGame]

doesn't the very decision to retest suggest they can now detect something they couldnt a year and a half ago? otherwise it would indeed be useless.
(what about aicar?)

Who's to say his samples taken during the Giro were tested? Only around 20% of samples taken are actually tested, even less in competition.

And yes, they have made advances, for instance they can now detect lower threshold of EPO hence Di Luca and Santambrogio

 

[blackcat]

someone else not buying the only once in 2003 line from Hesjedal.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...l-hesjedal-doing-cycling-proud-164804084.html

Dave Millar just doped "twice".

Really, we dont care that you doped guys, or continue to dope. I would just prefer, just stay shtum. "no comment".

Dont sell us SatNav and bull$hit. You dont get to lie, to dope, and the plaudits while selling us shwag. oh, you do get to do that. i forgot.

I would prefer, horribly solipsistic, i would prefer, to do without the BS and the lies.

Like the liquigas and lampre italians said of Garmin "those bunch of @rseholes". I really dont think the italian cyclists were antiAmerican qua American. it was the BS they were anti of.

Really, what is the difference between Ricco and Ryder? Ryder dopes his entire career, wins Giro, knows how to speak a good game, putatively repentant. Ricco, a little less repentant, arrogant, does not talk a good diplomatic game.

who is the most honest out of Ricco, Ryder, and lets say, Cav?

I reckon it is the guy who has profited least out of the sport.

 

[The Hitch]

Retesting now is just a waste of the samples. What new substances or techniques can they detect now that they couldn't detect a year and a half ago?

Another way of looking at it is that retesting now would prove that Hesjedal is clean now, ergo doping is in the past. Which is the story everyone in cycling wants at the moment.

I aint even saying that Hesjedal wasnt clean for the Giro, I think he was because I don't believe JV would go so far in his defence of that particular result if it wasn't.

But when that story comes out - Hesjedal's samples clean at 2012 Giro, its a headline that does those that want to "put this behind us" a lot of good.

 

[Benotti69]

doesn't the very decision to retest suggest they can now detect something they couldnt a year and a half ago? otherwise it would indeed be useless.
(what about aicar?)

I read the decision to retest Hesjedal's samples as an attempt to clear him from doping in his win and put the cleanER sport spin back to the forefront of the discussions.

But maybe the Italians want to take away from their positives, di Luca and Santambrogio and find others doping

 

[sniper]

I read the decision to retest Hesjedal's samples as an attempt to clear him from doping in his win and put the cleanER sport spin back to the forefront of the discussions.

that's of course a possibility.
it's funny timing in any case.
does the article say who triggered the decision and whether it has anything to do with hesjedal's case?

 

[blackcat]

Is there anything worse than an admitted (only because he had no choice) cheater who doesn't get any suspension because of a technicality? I'd be surprised if RH ever gets over this, especially after his terrible 2013 season...

Ricco
Ricco
Ricco

(so we are told).

But i think Ricco is an innocent v Cav and Hesjedal and those feted in the peleton.

 

[sniper]

Another way of looking at it is that retesting now would prove that Hesjedal is clean now, ergo doping is in the past. Which is the story everyone in cycling wants at the moment.

I aint even saying that Hesjedal wasnt clean for the Giro, I think he was because I don't believe JV would go so far in his defence of that particular result if it wasn't.

But when that story comes out - Hesjedal's samples clean at 2012 Giro, its a headline that does those that want to "put this behind us" a lot of good.

didn't hesjedal spent most of the preparation on hawaii in the absence of jv?

i guess jv may have based his defense on info from the docs that hesjedals data were in the green zone, or at least weren't going to trigger any flags.

 

[blackcat]

A thief if caught will always say that he will never steal again. Is he believed? No.
The repentant doper is a fallacy. Cue the statements of all the dopers. Once caught, dopers will say anything to save their backside. The only one who comes close is probably JV.

maybe JV comes close cos he has a sugar daddy in doug ellis. and it is more his strategic positioning, and seeing how the american consumer would not be palatable to new festinas, so they had to market themselves in a way, that would not occur on the continent.

it is a puritanical anglophile tendency. Armstrong had built great shield and PR in the popular press. But a new kid on the block?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

 

[blackcat]

It's simple, really.

Knowing when you have no way out and admitting exactly to what is already out is the smart thing to do (see Raskolnikov), even though the instinctual response is to deny everything and postpone the inevitable. Scarponi did this, Leipheimer did this, Danielson did this, and now Hesjedal* has done it.

A repentant doper would tell the whole story. Jaksche did this, Landis did this, and the whole story included saying they didn't regret doping per se, but the hypocrisy that came with it and the way they dealt with it once caught. That they were honest about how they didn't feel like they were cheating at all makes it much more believable.

*This depends on what he actually said to the relevant authorities, but even if he told them the whole story, there's the issue that he's trying to give the impression to the general public that he stopped in 2003, which doesn't make any sense.

but Jaksche and Landis had nothing left at stake on the table. They were burned by the sport, and shunned by the sport. So their "repentant doper" is heavily qualified. They were backed in a corner, and had zero options. Even telling it like it was, had no major costs, but potentially some benefits.

 

[thehog]

but Jaksche and Landis had nothing left at stake on the table. They were burned by the sport, and shunned by the sport. So their "repentant doper" is heavily qualified. They were backed in a corner, and had zero options. Even telling it like it was, had no major costs, but potentially some benefits.

Nothing at stake?

No major costs.

Riiiight.

Seriously. Step back and have a think about that.

Both are still paying the price of honesty.

No wonder Ryder gave his bullsh1t watered down confession non-confession.

Such tripe.

 

[Ferminal]

A promising GT career of Thomas De Gendt to be stopped before it really began.

Oh, wait. They will go after a guy who doped sometime in the past, but is not really high on the list of suspicious riders now.

lol, I think it's over anyway, GC riders don't dope under Lefevere.