Ryder's blood

[pastronef]

can you stand the hypocricy?

it goes down to the personal feeling of each follower.
I have no problem with Haas cheering on Ryder for the way he rode.

 

[blackcat]

can you stand the hypocricy?

it goes down to the personal feeling of each follower.
I have no problem with Haas cheering on Ryder for the way he rode.

i would say implicit, on a meta level, haas joins this constituency with ryder.

i thought that was the relevant element

 

[The Hitch]

I don't think Ryder is clean
but reading some clinic here and some twitter, I had the impression Ryder is worse than Astana.
like it's a given Astana are on the juice, people laugh at their utter strength, while Ryder is thrown mud to, because of his re-born last week form

I think it goes back to the JV talk of clean team, new generation, stopped doping (and obviously Ryder admitting doping and saying he stopped)

people can't stand the hypocrisy I guess.

talking about Matt Cooke, I hope he writes a book or at least let us know something more about what he knows about Ryder.

he says Ryder is a liar, bad person, he stopped his career. well, I say, tell us more.

about the gritty Ryder performance, I cannot dislike it, and you know why? because I never raced, I never doped/raced clean, I don't know how it FEELS to be clean and watching other doped contenders go faster than you. I don't know the background stories. so my feelings are not touched by those things I don't know.

I think that could be also a reason of bitterness and revenge feeling. Clean riders are pizzed at us, the fans, who support a rider just because we like how he races, while THEY know something is wrong with that, and cannot stand our cheering for this or that rider.

see here Haas supporting Ryder

https://www.twitter.com/NathanPeterHaas/status/604303170102255616

and here's one of the answers

https://www.twitter.com/vayerism/status/604305343066345472


Haas is just cheering for a team mate. but dear oh dear, it was retweeted by Vayerism, Matt Cooke, Digger and co.

that's the neverending question about how is doping perceived by the racers INSIDE the pro cycling circus

I think Ryder gets hate because the perception is that Ryder got away with it. Not only did he not serve a ban, he also never really got the hate that the non anglophone caught dopers get.

I'm glad he exists though because he shows what hypocrites these people can be. Even after he was outed Ive heard commentators treat his 2012 Giro as an example of how cycling cleaned up.

The hate is deserved. Once he serves his time, many will forgive him. I can't think of any other riders who got caught and were allowed to continue riding as if nothing ever happened. And it was his personal decision to do it that way, take the silent non ban and keep it hidden from everyone. If you are that one guy who thinks he is so special that even if you get caught you don't have to serve any ban, you deserve the hate.

 

[pastronef]

I think Ryder gets hate because the perception is that Ryder got away with it. Not only did he not serve a ban, he also never really got the hate that the non anglophone caught dopers get.

I'm glad he exists though because he shows what hypocrites these people can be. Even after he was outed Ive heard commentators treat his 2012 Giro as an example of how cycling cleaned up.

The hate is deserved. Once he serves his time, many will forgive him. I can't think of any other riders who got caught and were allowed to continue riding as if nothing ever happened. And it was his personal decision to do it that way, take the silent non ban and keep it hidden from everyone. If you are that one guy who thinks he is so special that even if you get caught you don't have to serve any ban, you deserve the hate.

agree about that. together with him riding for JV, things that do not work well together while the "new generation" narrative is being spread by some.

 

[Master50]

Really too bad none of you saw how strong he was at 16. He often started 2 to 5 minutes behind the elite racers and beat them too. His time of service to teams with a doping reputation was always short and each time he moved to a lower profile team. He would up at Health net which to me is a clear indication that what ever he was doing it was not playing the same game. He has suffered the criticisms of many he was racing against at home and has lost friends because of it. Call it naive and in this forum counter to the philosophy they are all still doping the change to Vaughters teams was his chance to play on his real talents than get fired for not playing the team game.
In the context of this Giro one team gives me the impression their licence should have been withdrawn. That is about the sheer numbers there for every attack.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And yet Ryder beat them, with little to no support, and you think he did it clean.

*snort*

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Part of the anti-Ryder animus comes from riding for Garmin, a team that pays all the lip service to anti-doping, while having a former doper as the manager and a roster of dopers that would make Michael Ball and Rock Racing blush.

 

[Digger]

ryder gets sh** from me because of his pathetic 'confession' - not sure who the hell believes his timeline

and his non existent ban...

that he does this ride in his last year of a contract...seems totally legit


to the person above who talks about how good he was as a kid - newsflash - every single one of them were this talented - I have always said this. A pro rider, clean or doped, is a genetic freak...that includes jv in fairness to the guy...so to use ryder's results as a teenager means absolutely nothing, because I would expect nothing less from a guy who became a pro.

 

[oldcrank]

Of course Ryder is not riding on bread and water.
More likely a Tim Horton's double double and a
Maple Syrup donut. Well done, Ryder.

 

[sniper]

Of course Ryder is not riding on bread and water.
More likely a Tim Horton's double double and a
Maple Syrup donut. Well done, Ryder.

if that's the case, let's see those bloodvalues.

Ryder on Contador: "Congrats to him, he’s a great rider.”
Goes to show if you dope you have no qualms applauding another doper.

 

[the delgados]

Of course Ryder is not riding on bread and water.
More likely a Tim Horton's double double and a
Maple Syrup donut. Well done, Ryder.

That makes his ride even more inspiring. Tim Hortons should capitalize on Ryder's double double ride by making a commercial where Ryder digs in to a maple syrup donut just before he drops Contador on the Finestre.
It would be a moving and inspiring scene.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Really too bad none of you saw how strong he was at 16. He often started 2 to 5 minutes behind the elite racers and beat them too. His time of service to teams with a doping reputation was always short and each time he moved to a lower profile team. He would up at Health net which to me is a clear indication that what ever he was doing it was not playing the same game. He has suffered the criticisms of many he was racing against at home and has lost friends because of it. Call it naive and in this forum counter to the philosophy they are all still doping the change to Vaughters teams was his chance to play on his real talents than get fired for not playing the team game.
In the context of this Giro one team gives me the impression their licence should have been withdrawn. That is about the sheer numbers there for every attack.

Steve Tilford will tell you all about Hesjedal's doping as a MTBer. Anyone who rides a GT is freak of human nature.

Hesjedal confessed to some of his doping. Hat he dropped Contador on Finestre aint normal even for a freak.

Garmin were never a clean team. End of. JV knows the sport all too well and that his silence on Astana has been deafening for a guy who professes to have dedicated his life to anti doping!!!!!!!

This sport thought for a split second about getting out of the cesspit, but then it passed and as this the 3rd fastest giro in history shows, doping is still very much part of the fabric of the sport and Hesjedals 5th place places him firmly deep in it.

 

[the delgados]

http://thewalrus.ca/tag/ryder-hesjedal/

Really good read about Ryder and cycling in general. I will always cop a quote by the author who says suffering is the currency of cycling.
One thing about the story that struck me is Ryder had a coach taking blood from his arms at an early age in races that didn't matter.

 

[trebe]

Re: Re:

Really too bad none of you saw how strong he was at 16. He often started 2 to 5 minutes behind the elite racers and beat them too. His time of service to teams with a doping reputation was always short and each time he moved to a lower profile team. He would up at Health net which to me is a clear indication that what ever he was doing it was not playing the same game. He has suffered the criticisms of many he was racing against at home and has lost friends because of it. Call it naive and in this forum counter to the philosophy they are all still doping the change to Vaughters teams was his chance to play on his real talents than get fired for not playing the team game.
In the context of this Giro one team gives me the impression their licence should have been withdrawn. That is about the sheer numbers there for every attack.

Steve Tilford will tell you all about Hesjedal's doping as a MTBer. Anyone who rides a GT is freak of human nature.

Hesjedal confessed to some of his doping. Hat he dropped Contador on Finestre aint normal even for a freak.

Garmin were never a clean team. End of. JV knows the sport all too well and that his silence on Astana has been deafening for a guy who professes to have dedicated his life to anti doping!!!!!!!

This sport thought for a split second about getting out of the cesspit, but then it passed and as this the 3rd fastest giro in history shows, doping is still very much part of the fabric of the sport and Hesjedals 5th place places him firmly deep in it.

How can you talk about third fastest giro? How are your source to say this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Giro_d'Italia_general_classification_winners
Watching this it doesn't look like Contador time is the third ever....
And how is possible to make such strange stat about a Grand Tour that change every year....

 

[Billie]

Re: Re:

Really too bad none of you saw how strong he was at 16. He often started 2 to 5 minutes behind the elite racers and beat them too. His time of service to teams with a doping reputation was always short and each time he moved to a lower profile team. He would up at Health net which to me is a clear indication that what ever he was doing it was not playing the same game. He has suffered the criticisms of many he was racing against at home and has lost friends because of it. Call it naive and in this forum counter to the philosophy they are all still doping the change to Vaughters teams was his chance to play on his real talents than get fired for not playing the team game.
In the context of this Giro one team gives me the impression their licence should have been withdrawn. That is about the sheer numbers there for every attack.

Steve Tilford will tell you all about Hesjedal's doping as a MTBer. Anyone who rides a GT is freak of human nature.

Hesjedal confessed to some of his doping. Hat he dropped Contador on Finestre aint normal even for a freak.

Garmin were never a clean team. End of. JV knows the sport all too well and that his silence on Astana has been deafening for a guy who professes to have dedicated his life to anti doping!!!!!!!

This sport thought for a split second about getting out of the cesspit, but then it passed and as this the 3rd fastest giro in history shows, doping is still very much part of the fabric of the sport and Hesjedals 5th place places him firmly deep in it.

How can you talk about third fastest giro? How are your source to say this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Giro_d'Italia_general_classification_winners
Watching this it doesn't look like Contador time is the third ever....
And how is possible to make such strange stat about a Grand Tour that change every year....

Fastest means highest average speed. Length is different every year so time doesn't matter.

 

[oldcrank]

Of course Ryder is not riding on bread and water.
More likely a Tim Horton's double double and a
Maple Syrup donut. Well done, Ryder.

That makes his ride even more inspiring. Tim Hortons should capitalize on Ryder's double double ride by making a commercial where Ryder digs in to a maple syrup donut just before he drops Contador on the Finestre.
It would be a moving and inspiring scene.

Yes, my friend, and perhaps the soigneur can be handing
Ryder up his donut on the end of an ice-hockey stick.

 

[winkybiker]

I can forgive the doping, but I can't forgive those glasses. Not ever. When he first started wearing them all those years ago, I naturally assumed it was some sort of joke, just to grab publicity. But he keep on wearing them! I think that he thinks that they really look good.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Re:

I can forgive the doping, but I can't forgive those glasses. Not ever. When he first started wearing them all those years ago, I naturally assumed it was some sort of joke, just to grab publicity. But he keep on wearing them! I think that he thinks that they really look good.

This.

Those glasses a sartorial abomination. He needs to return them to Urkel.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

http://thewalrus.ca/tag/ryder-hesjedal/

Really good read about Ryder and cycling in general. I will always cop a quote by the author who says suffering is the currency of cycling.
One thing about the story that struck me is Ryder had a coach taking blood from his arms at an early age in races that didn't matter.

His coach was taking blood samples for testing when out training, in the forest.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

Really too bad none of you saw how strong he was at 16. He often started 2 to 5 minutes behind the elite racers and beat them too. His time of service to teams with a doping reputation was always short and each time he moved to a lower profile team. He would up at Health net which to me is a clear indication that what ever he was doing it was not playing the same game. He has suffered the criticisms of many he was racing against at home and has lost friends because of it. Call it naive and in this forum counter to the philosophy they are all still doping the change to Vaughters teams was his chance to play on his real talents than get fired for not playing the team game.
In the context of this Giro one team gives me the impression their licence should have been withdrawn. That is about the sheer numbers there for every attack.

Steve Tilford will tell you all about Hesjedal's doping as a MTBer. Anyone who rides a GT is freak of human nature.

Hesjedal confessed to some of his doping. Hat he dropped Contador on Finestre aint normal even for a freak.

Garmin were never a clean team. End of. JV knows the sport all too well and that his silence on Astana has been deafening for a guy who professes to have dedicated his life to anti doping!!!!!!!

This sport thought for a split second about getting out of the cesspit, but then it passed and as this the 3rd fastest giro in history shows, doping is still very much part of the fabric of the sport and Hesjedals 5th place places him firmly deep in it.

The dude is so anti-doping he even took PED's, not to win races, but so he could tell what a doper looked like and then turn them from the dark back to the light.

 

[the delgados]

Re: Re:

http://thewalrus.ca/tag/ryder-hesjedal/

Really good read about Ryder and cycling in general. I will always cop a quote by the author who says suffering is the currency of cycling.
One thing about the story that struck me is Ryder had a coach taking blood from his arms at an early age in races that didn't matter.

His coach was taking blood samples for testing when out training, in the forest.

Thanks for clarifying, DW. It has been a while since I read the story.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think I read that on a page advertising something - don't recall what now. I think he was coached by the same guy who started with Geoff Kabush (?) - who was still going strong at an advanced age... my memory is not the best, but the image of a kid and an older guy in the forest, with people going past, and his coach doing a blood test (just a pin ***, I think, from the finger) just seared itself into my brain.

 

[hulkgogan]

Re:

Really too bad none of you saw how strong he was at 16. He often started 2 to 5 minutes behind the elite racers and beat them too. His time of service to teams with a doping reputation was always short and each time he moved to a lower profile team. He would up at Health net which to me is a clear indication that what ever he was doing it was not playing the same game. He has suffered the criticisms of many he was racing against at home and has lost friends because of it. Call it naive and in this forum counter to the philosophy they are all still doping the change to Vaughters teams was his chance to play on his real talents than get fired for not playing the team game.
In the context of this Giro one team gives me the impression their licence should have been withdrawn. That is about the sheer numbers there for every attack.

Honestly out of the big BC pro guys at the time, Ryder was the least impressive. Roland or Svein showed up at a local race you knew it was getting blown apart. They show up at a crit, they're gonna lap the field solo. My main memory of Ryder was him showing up at a race - and he must have been 19 or 20 at the time, so no junior - sitting at the back the whole time, making fun of all the roadies with his MB flunkies and then crashing out half way through the race. The only crash. This is the great Canuck hope?

I was frankly shocked he made it at as Euro pro. I think I almost had a heart attack when he won the Giro.

And he still sits at the back.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Honestly out of the big BC pro guys at the time, Ryder was the least impressive. Roland or Svein showed up at a local race you knew it was getting blown apart. They show up at a crit, they're gonna lap the field solo. My main memory of Ryder was him showing up at a race - and he must have been 19 or 20 at the time, so no junior - sitting at the back the whole time, making fun of all the roadies with his MB flunkies and then crashing out half way through the race. The only crash. This is the great Canuck hope?

I was frankly shocked he made it at as Euro pro. I think I almost had a heart attack when he won the Giro.

And he still sits at the back.

Thank you, for bringing some balance.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Those glasses a sartorial abomination. He needs to return them to Urkel.

the fashion photographer and father of the current hipster era Terry Richardson wears those. He is a peeve.