Sagan Clean?

[TeflonDub]

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‪Any explanation for Sagan pedaling after finish line while everybody else is freewheeling? Almost as is those cranks are turning him and not the other way around!

Have we yet seen a version of a motor that is linked to the cranks?

At 2:00 into embedded video, CBS animation of what Varjas described to them and fitted into a Trek 5900 they provided him. It's pretty dated technology and doubt Sagan has something so old, just thought I would ask for opinions.

http://www.cetusnews.com/news/60-Minutes-investigates-hidden-motors-and-pro-cycling.rkm-TVG5YZ.html

You want an opinion? You're bonkers.

Ah, yes, the classic ad hominem dismissal. Thanks. I thought unclipping while making a final effort inside the last 200 meters of an uphill sprint and still being able to hold off GVA and Matthews was bonkers, so maybe me and bonkers belong together! But yeah, all bow to Sagan, so good he can beat the best on one leg.
https://youtu.be/Z2-h3PFjQHA

 

[fmk_RoI]

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inside the last 200 meters of an uphill sprint

I thought the last 200 were downhill? I'll find a source for that claim, if you really insist...

 

[Netserk]

Today it was downhill, in the Tour it was uphill.

 

[TeflonDub]

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inside the last 200 meters of an uphill sprint

I thought the last 200 were downhill? I'll find a source for that claim, if you really insist...

What does Cat-3 mean?

 

[Tienus]

Have we yet seen a version of a motor that is linked to the cranks?

Yes. The only (known) motor ever caught by the UCI used by the pre race favourite at the world champs.

 

[Benotti69]

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So, on the day Sagan wins his third WC on the bounce after claiming to be ill all week, I have to go to the second page of the thread lists to find the 'Sagan Clean' thread? Has The Clinic drank the Kool Aid?

‪Any explanation for Sagan pedaling after finish line while everybody else is freewheeling? Almost as is those cranks are turning him and not the other way around! Allegedly. https://twitter.com/cyclingnieuws1/status/911963544719110145‬

Aint nobody believing Sagan is clean. No chance.

 

[BigMac]

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So, on the day Sagan wins his third WC on the bounce after claiming to be ill all week, I have to go to the second page of the thread lists to find the 'Sagan Clean' thread? Has The Clinic drank the Kool Aid?

‪Any explanation for Sagan pedaling after finish line while everybody else is freewheeling? Almost as is those cranks are turning him and not the other way around! Allegedly. https://twitter.com/cyclingnieuws1/status/911963544719110145‬

Are you suggesting he might have had a motor because of that?

It's possible to keep pedalling after a sprint. Many do.

Worst evidence I've ever seen.

 

[Huapango]

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Are you suggesting he might have had a motor because of that?

It's possible to keep pedalling after a sprint. Many do.

Worst evidence I've ever seen.

I dunno, after watching the clip a few times, it does look kind of odd. It's kind of like he forgot that he was riding a fixie, and needed to keep up with the crank speed.

 

[Durden93]

Peaking from February to September. Not normal.

 

[Echoes]

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Peaking from February to September. Not normal.

Lol Is that irony?

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

He doesn't have a three week Tour in his legs though!

 

[PeterB]

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Are you suggesting he might have had a motor because of that?

It's possible to keep pedalling after a sprint. Many do.

Worst evidence I've ever seen.

I dunno, after watching the clip a few times, it does look kind of odd. It's kind of like he forgot that he was riding a fixie, and needed to keep up with the crank speed.

From my memory I believe he does this (pedaling after finishing his sprint) almost always. I always thought it is part of recovery, i.e. that he changes the gears and spins a bit to relieve his legs after effort.

 

[rekhyt]

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I dunno, after watching the clip a few times, it does look kind of odd. It's kind of like he forgot that he was riding a fixie, and needed to keep up with the crank speed.

So how is he able to not pedal when he does the bike throw?

 

[jahn]

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Are you suggesting he might have had a motor because of that?

It's possible to keep pedalling after a sprint. Many do.

Worst evidence I've ever seen.

I dunno, after watching the clip a few times, it does look kind of odd. It's kind of like he forgot that he was riding a fixie, and needed to keep up with the crank speed.

From my memory I believe he does this (pedaling after finishing his sprint) almost always. I always thought it is part of recovery, i.e. that he changes the gears and spins a bit to relieve his legs after effort.

Part recovery, part idiosyncrasy probably.

Do sprinters use steroids or is it too glowy?

 

[Squire]

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I dunno, after watching the clip a few times, it does look kind of odd. It's kind of like he forgot that he was riding a fixie, and needed to keep up with the crank speed.

So how is he able to not pedal when he does the bike throw?

Didn't you get the memo? Logic is not allowed here.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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inside the last 200 meters of an uphill sprint

I thought the last 200 were downhill? I'll find a source for that claim, if you really insist...

What does Cat-3 mean?

It's a kind of cable, isn't it? Ethernet? Telephone?

Is this the general knowledge round?

 

[Huapango]

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From my memory I believe he does this (pedaling after finishing his sprint) almost always. I always thought it is part of recovery, i.e. that he changes the gears and spins a bit to relieve his legs after effort.

Between spinning fast after the finish of a race and stuffing his mouth with Harribo Gummies, Sagan might be onto something cutting-edge.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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From my memory I believe he does this (pedaling after finishing his sprint) almost always. I always thought it is part of recovery, i.e. that he changes the gears and spins a bit to relieve his legs after effort.

Between spinning fast after the finish of a race and stuffing his mouth with Harribo Gummies, Sagan might be onto something cutting-edge.

:lol:

 

[saganftw]

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I dunno, after watching the clip a few times, it does look kind of odd. It's kind of like he forgot that he was riding a fixie, and needed to keep up with the crank speed.

So how is he able to not pedal when he does the bike throw?

new cutting edge state-of-the-art self aware computer chip that turns off the motor for a fraction of a second before the bike throw and then turn it on after finish...why does it turn it on after the finish? well the technology isnt quite there yet :geek:

 

[Bolder]

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So, on the day Sagan wins his third WC on the bounce after claiming to be ill all week, I have to go to the second page of the thread lists to find the 'Sagan Clean' thread? Has The Clinic drank the Kool Aid?

‪Any explanation for Sagan pedaling after finish line while everybody else is freewheeling? Almost as is those cranks are turning him and not the other way around! Allegedly. https://twitter.com/cyclingnieuws1/status/911963544719110145‬

Aint nobody believing Sagan is clean. No chance.

Certainly almost zero chance, I agree. Hey, he's a winning pro bike racer...

I won't say "no chance" because he's always been at a pretty high level, and coming from MTB he's got obvious skills.
But also no guarantee that he will be caught.

My take is that he's pretty gifted physically and reacts well to whatever "training program" he's on.

 

[TeflonDub]

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inside the last 200 meters of an uphill sprint

I thought the last 200 were downhill? I'll find a source for that claim, if you really insist...

What does Cat-3 mean?

It's a kind of cable, isn't it? Ethernet? Telephone?

Is this the general knowledge round?

I think what you meant to say was, "oh, sorry for trying to be a smart arse and getting so delighted with myself that I thought I caught you thinking the Bergen finish was an uphill finish when clever people like me who talk loudly in restaurants know that it was actually downhill so I had to jump on here really quickly to rub it in your face but I would have been better off noticing that the uphill finish you mentioned was in the YouTube clip you posted along with the comment about Sagan unclipping while still winning and that was actually Stage 3 of this year's tour with a Category 3 finish into Longwy and now I feel like such an idiot."

Damn autocorrect, right?

 

[Durden93]

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Peaking from February to September. Not normal.

Lol Is that irony?

Why would it be?

 

[Echoes]

Museeuw peaking strictly in April, was it normal?

 

[Durden93]

Museeuw peaking strictly in April, was it normal?

No it wasn't. But it's pretty well acknowledged that clean athletes can't hold form for 8 months. You need time to recover.

 

[Giusepperides]

OK- my opinion and just that!
When money is involved (and even not involved "see Olympics"), it becomes a show. The show makes money. What the athletes or performers will do to make the show good is everything they can can to make the show good. All sports that are making money off the public are sort of rigged are they not? I love cycling, but I watch all sports with a suspended disbelief. All sports are just like WWE which years ago people figured out was fake yet they still watch. Or is it fake? They are still performers doing all they can do to perform. You can either enjoy it or stop watching, it's your choice.