Schlecks Depreciation Thread

[Chef_Vodnik]

Yup - and that crash on Stage one of the Tour last year was a whole different story.

No, wait, it wasn't.

He lost time, he should blame himself for that since he was too far back in the pack for whatever reason. Just like the GC riders in the Tour had noone to blame but themselves back then. Same situation, except for the fact that on that occasion several posters rose to defend them whereas here we're all too glad to push one less liked rider down the gutter.

Edit: This -

To be honest it doesn't matter who's fault it is, he was too far back anyway.

is mature and completely correct.
This -

*puke* disgusting that he's blaming Alex. I wonder, do they have mirrors in the Schleck Mansion? Because they seem so terribly afraid of them.

is neither.

 

[MrRoboto]

Yup - and that crash on Stage one of the Tour last year was a whole different story.

No, wait, it wasn't.

Wasn't the man complaint with that stage the ridiculous result the 3km rule caused? It was for me at least.

I see your point, but it wasn't exactly the same.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Wasn't the man complaint with that stage the ridiculous result the 3km rule caused? It was for me at least.

I see your point, but it wasn't exactly the same.

the main complaint was that some riders lost time and others did not because they were in front when the second crash happened, so yeah it was because of the 3k rule that had a funny side effect. The point is that because some riders are more liked around here for somewhat obvious reasons they get an easier pass and more support when the dung hits the fan. I understand that, I just don't like some riders being treated like they deserve all the bad luck in the world and others are mourned with religious zealotry whenever they have a mishap.

Again: He was at the back, it was his own damn fault. Whether or not he crashed into Rasmussen because of his own fault or because Rasmussen made a bad move, we will never know. This means it's one mans word agains the others. Both could be wrong, both could be right, and it's of no importance. If I recall correctly, they're riding in a tight bunch, so I figure that something can happen lightning fast and you can't be sure what happened afterwards; This is a misunderstanding, and a sad one at that because accusations have been thrown (and unnecessary ones, too. But I guess that's what happens when you're caught in the act with an interview after the stage and you're still not certain what happened. Normal reaction, really - just try to find an explanation)

But the way this is handled here with one rider being called a fraud and him being tossed under the van just makes me feel uncomfortable. I get the problem that people have with the two Brothers - they're somewhat obnoxious and uncomfortable and sometimes a bit too cocky... but that's no reason to dismiss anything they say. They should receive just as much a fair treatment as anyone.

 

[Christian]

Please learn to read or something. I never wrote that Frank is lying, my problem is, that he blame Rasmussen because he was behind. If he says that "it was mostly my fault because I was not on the front, and Rasmussen also slowed down in front of me" then I will say, ok. But blaming everyone except him, it's for me pathetic. Sorry.

Except he doesn't blame Rasmussen for being behind, he blames him for allegedly doing an illegal and dangerous move which then resulted in a crash. Whether he actually made such a move or not we'll never know but if he did then it was dangerous and he must assume the consequences of his actions

Also this is pretty funny:

I don't know what's the truth (...) The truth is Rasmussens sentence

Again: He was at the back, it was his own damn fault. Whether or not he crashed into Rasmussen because of his own fault or because Rasmussen made a bad move, we will never know. This means it's one mans word agains the others. Both could be wrong, both could be right, and it's of no importance. If I recall correctly, they're riding in a tight bunch, so I figure that something can happen lightning fast and you can't be sure what happened afterwards; This is a misunderstanding, and a sad one at that because accusations have been thrown (and unnecessary ones, too. But I guess that's what happens when you're caught in the act with an interview after the stage and you're still not certain what happened. Normal reaction, really - just try to find an explanation)

But the way this is handled here with one rider being called a fraud and him being tossed under the van just makes me feel uncomfortable. I get the problem that people have with the two Brothers - they're somewhat obnoxious and uncomfortable and sometimes a bit too cocky... but that's no reason to dismiss anything they say. They should receive just as much a fair treatment as anyone.

Damn Vodnik I vote you be nominated for the Nobel peace prize ... that being said I give you about a week before you pick up the mudd and participate in the slinging

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Marco Pinotti ‏@marcopinotti
I thought pushing a teammate on a climb had been forbidden in the 70's

 

[meat puppet]

Good post, Vodnik. The problem, however, is not what the Bros say or even do. To me at least, that is not the main reason. Rather, since Lance gone, the spot for cyclings' golden boy was opened and the bros filled in neatly. Cav too. Now the whole cycling ecosystem treats the bros accordingly, which, you know, kinda amuses some people. Toss in the fact that this situation is reflected neatly in the bros' outspoken and often unreflected sense of entitlement and here we go.

Had Contador or someone else been the fill-in darling, I'd probably be ridiculing him. Cav too gets his share, innit? The bickering is frustrating and often stupid, but IMO it's also an index that the whole damn circus has become stale and needs venting.

But I'll get my coat already.

 

[vcampbell]

Except he doesn't blame Rasmussen for being behind, he blames him for allegedly doing an illegal and dangerous move which then resulted in a crash. Whether he actually made such a move or not we'll never know but if he did then it was dangerous and he must assume the consequences of his actions

"Normally, I would have been in the front before the crash, but because of Rasmussen's move I was completely behind." - Exactly.

Also this is pretty funny:

What is your problem? You can't or don't want to understand what I wrote? The first thing was about, that we don't know who is telling the truth. The second was about, that Rasmussen has right, Frank was too far back.
Please learn to read, and to understand simple things.

 

[cineteq]

To be honest it doesn't matter who's fault it is, he was too far back anyway.

+100000 In the end, the fact he was far back is what puts him is those kind of situations.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

"Normally, I would have been in the front before the crash, but because of Rasmussen's move I was completely behind." - Exactly.

That one's about him being held up in the second crash, not the cause of the first one - whole different story. He does not accuse Rasmussen of being responsible for him being at the back when the first crash happened. He merely says that because of that situation he was at the back of the pack when the second crash happened since he had been chasing to catch back on earlier, hence he was at the back.

But yeah, I get what you're saying - it's still his own bloody fault he was so far back beforehand in the first place. I missed the stage yesterday so I'm in no way able to tell what happened exactly; When did the first incident (the Rasmussen thing, allegedly on the second-to-last lap?) happen, and when did the second crash (the one he supposedly got held up in as he was too far back) occur?

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

[...] since Lance gone, the spot for cyclings' golden boy was opened and the bros filled in neatly. Cav too. Now the whole cycling ecosystem treats the bros accordingly, which, you know, kinda amuses some people. Toss in the fact that this situation is reflected neatly in the bros' outspoken and often unreflected sense of entitlement and here we go..

No problem in that, you can have some fun - that's what the free internet's all about. Hell, I watch the NBA regularly and I crack jokes about pretty much every player if they're doing nonsense. This is the internet: Fun's allowed around here. When it's about comdemning anything they say pre-emptively, that's when it becomes an issue.

Good post, Vodnik.

Thanks

 

[Christian]

"Normally, I would have been in the front before the crash, but because of Rasmussen's move I was completely behind." - Exactly.


What is your problem? You can't or don't want to understand what I wrote? The first thing was about, that we don't know who is telling the truth. The second was about, that Rasmussen has right, Frank was too far back.
Please learn to read, and to understand simple things.

I think there really is a miscommunication here because I find what you are saying quite confusing. Of course I have a problem and don't know how to read and can't understand even the simplest things so that might have something to do with it but still.

All I was trying to say is that to my knowledge Fränk does not blame Rasmussen for his bad positioning before the first crash (as there is no one to blame) but rather for doing an illegal and dangerous move (allegedly), which then caused him to be badly positioned for the second crash, and subsequently caused him to lose time. If Rasmussen indeed did do this illegal move then he has every right to call him on it.

That is what I meant when I said "does not blame him for being behind"

 

[Sylvester]

Anyway, Fränk Schleck losing 46 seconds is an absolute non-event in the grand scheme of things. He didn't prepare properly for this Giro (I'm not blaming him for that, he didn't think he would be riding it anyway). Even with a thorough preparation it would have been very difficult for him to make the podium, now it's almost impossible.

 

[vcampbell]

I think there really is a miscommunication here because I find what you are saying quite confusing. Of course I have a problem and don't know how to read and can't understand even the simplest things so that might have something to do with it but still.

All I was trying to say is that to my knowledge Fränk does not blame Rasmussen for his bad positioning before the first crash (as there is no one to blame) but rather for doing an illegal and dangerous move (allegedly), which then caused him to be badly positioned for the second crash, and subsequently caused him to lose time. If Rasmussen indeed did do this illegal move then he has every right to call him on it.

That is what I meant when I said "does not blame him for being behind"

It's now much more cleener, but he has no right to blame Rasmussen, even if Rasmussen have made an illegal move (which we don't know, because no on can proof his own truth). He can only blame himself, because before the real race (arriving in the city) he was in a bad position. All the other contenders were at the front. Why wasn't Frank able to go to the front too? My only problem is that he just try to say that Rasmussen is the bad guy, but he wouldn't take the responsibility of his bad positioning. Sh!t happens, everyone knows that, but you can reduce the possibility of the occurence of that sh!t. He should watch Basso, he is every time in the first ~20 riders, and as you can see, he never lost time because there was a crash in front of him.

 

[barn yard]

frank says he has a sore shoulder now, thanks to rasmussen

already got his excuse to withdraw from the giro and be reunited with the love of his life in time for the tour

 

[Angrylegs]

Fränk was in a bad position. Just look at what Liquigas did to keep Ivan in a protected position. That's the way to do it and watch out for your team leader. If you're further back on a climb with narrow roads like that, you put yourself in danger for losing seconds and getting involved in slow downs and other incidents that might arise. Rasmussen may or may not have caused one such problem, just as Fränk describes - and he probably did - I don't consider Fränk to be a liar - but it's his own fault in the first place for being further back. He could have gotten caught out earlier on the climb, he might not yet be on the form he desires, it's possible his team couldn't do what was required to get him into the position he needed to be in - lots of things - but it's hardly ultimately the fault of the incident. Bad position, which points to lots of other things.

 

[Ripper]

Hmm

Sh*t happens when racing and this is hardly really bad sh*t. I think the Wrecks have it in their contract to get in print whenever possible, even if it is whining.

Lots of riders do lots of silly things, that is why you look where you are going and if things are important you ride near the front with team mates.

So we've got 2 separate issues - Franky whining and blaming something other than himself, and a possible stupid move from Ras (BTW ... one rider is hardly a "wall" )

The Wrecks should ride some cross in the winter.

 

[Cimber]

Rasmussing: "Franck is lying, and every1 who saw the the incident knows it. He lost time and he is looking for an excuse. I am gonna have a word with him later, cos its not ok he is lying". Just saw a clip where a reporter confronted Franck with that statement and he was fuming

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Rasmussing: "Franck is lying, and every1 who saw the the incident knows it. He lost time and he is looking for an excuse. I am gonna have a word with him later, cos its not ok he is lying". Just saw a clip where a reporter confronted Franck with that statement and he was fuming

Nice,could have been lively.

 

[Cimber]

Nice,could have been lively.

Scleck was saying "I am lying?! Go get him to me and I..." then he drove off before finishing the sentence

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Rasmussing: "Franck is lying, and every1 who saw the the incident knows it. He lost time and he is looking for an excuse. I am gonna have a word with him later, cos its not ok he is lying". Just saw a clip where a reporter confronted Franck with that statement and he was fuming

To expand on this:

Danish television confronted Fränk with the Rasmussen statement (that Fränk was lying) and Fränk was clearly angry saying "I'm lying? Well, get him here then and I'll..." he was then sort of pushed away by one of the RadioShack dudes and then drove away.

 

[Race Radio]

Frankie sounds that Fred Triathlete that blames you when he falls over at the stop sign because he cant unclip from the pedals

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Scleck was saying "I am lying?! Go get him to me and I..." then he drove off before finishing the sentence

Nice, love it. I hope they have punch up.

 

[El Pistolero]

Rasmussing: "Franck is lying, and every1 who saw the the incident knows it. He lost time and he is looking for an excuse. I am gonna have a word with him later, cos its not ok he is lying". Just saw a clip where a reporter confronted Franck with that statement and he was fuming

Pushing a team-mate on a climb is forbidden. And this guy should be banned for a year already anyway. How Alex Rasmussen still has any respect in the peloton I do not know.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Pushing a team-mate on a climb is forbidden. And this guy should be banned for a year already anyway. How Alex Rasmussen still has any respect in the peloton I do not know.

Come on now J, he rides for vaughters how can you not trust him?

 

[Cimber]

Pushing a team-mate on a climb is forbidden. And this guy should be banned for a year already anyway. How Alex Rasmussen still has any respect in the peloton I do not know.

Apples and oranges. But since u bring it up I remember Franckie-boy transferring some money to a certain Dr. Fuentes for a "traning-program". But that all belong in the clinic and has nothing to do with this incident

Nice, love it. I hope they have punch up.

haha unfair fight. Rasmussen weight like like 20-30 kg more