And Vlasov being free to do his own thing.On that case, Hindley should also be co leader in the Tour.
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And Vlasov being free to do his own thing.On that case, Hindley should also be co leader in the Tour.
Yes, they dropped him at the Angliru, were better on the ITT....of course you pay something a break, but 3 minutes it is too much. He could have been podium, no more than 3.
Because what you said is ridiculous based off the form Kuss has shown. If Vingegaard isn’t in shape to win Visma have better options than GC Kuss; Jorgensen, WVA stage hunting/KoM/Points, Kooij, Kelderman, or stage hunting with their riders.Why would Hindley and Vlasov be in such role at the Tour 2024? On where it's clear Rogla is the sole leader. On the other hand if Rogla would get injured, why would that even be debatable?
Just like Vingegaard is the sole leader.Why would Hindley and Vlasov be in such role at the Tour 2024? On where it's clear Rogla is the sole leader. On the other hand if Rogla would get injured, why would that even be debatable?
Yes he should because GC Kuss isn’t bringing anything bar a potential top 10 to the team. I don’t see Cian in my post at all, do you? I wouldn’t have Kuss be my GC leader anywhere.@SHAD0W93
So basically what you are saying is GC Kuss should be the very last choice possible, after Cian? And Vuelta, should he lead there?
P.S. As for Bora it's clear, Rogla is the leader of the Tour 2024 squad and until Rogla is healthy and will perform, until then this is settled and no need to waste effort on such debates. That is one of the reasons he left Visma, as Visma would likely still be deciding if Rogla can lead the Tour 2024 squad. Thanks, but no thanks.
Yes he should because GC Kuss isn’t bringing anything bar a potential top 10 to the team. I don’t see Cian in my post at all, do you? I wouldn’t have Kuss be my GC leader anywhere.
Just like Vingegaard is the sole leader.
Roglic is always injured.
With the form Kuss has shown this year I can think of around 15 riders that have a better chance to top 10. Visma want to win the Tour, not finish top 10. Kuss doesn’t give them that option. Jorgensen might but most likely not this year.OK, so no leadership at Vuelta then and certainly not at the Tour. As some (any) other rider, potentially finishing in top 10, should get a fair shot.
You can't create GC hindley for the Tour, just because he won the Giro 2022, just like you can't create GC Kuss just because he won the Vuelta 2023.OK, so no leadership at Vuelta then and certainly not at the Tour. As some (any) other rider, potentially finishing in top 10, should get a fair shot.
So injured against injured sole leader it is then, Pogi being the healthy dark horse.
But you do got a point, at Visma it wouldn't really matter, if Jonas is injured, or not. Rogla is injured too, so obviously Jonas would be the sole Tour leader. It was indeed time to go and maybe Kuss does the same at some point of his career.
I’ve already answered this, and no I’ve been saying since the pneumothorax news that I don’t think Vingegaard will have the shape to win or even ride.@SHAD0W93
Are you seriously suggesting Jonas is fit enough to lead the Visma squad? If yes, then OK, lets see on how it goes. If not, then in my opinion next in the line is Kuss and Jorgenson potentially being their plan B.
P.S. As for Rogličes chances of winning, that i feel is mostly up to Roglič and Bora and not Visma this year.
Because what you said is ridiculous based off the form Kuss has shown. If Vingegaard isn’t in shape to win Visma have better options than GC Kuss; Jorgensen, WVA stage hunting/KoM/Points, Kooij, Kelderman, or stage hunting with their riders.
Roglic has been in multiple crashes, Hindley has won a GT like Kuss, and Vlasov has top 5’d so those are good options for Bora.
Mate, Kuss doesn't offer any guarantees in terms of GC for Visma at the moment, and don't forget that Kuss has been sick since Dauphiné.@Froome
Unfortunately i feel that both will still be hampered by injuries a bit, one likely capable of managing it better, due to less severity. As for GC Kuss, JV literary created such beast. You can't now take that back and say we were only joking. If Jonas is not fit, then Kuss is next in the line.
If Visma is reluctant, remember Sepp, what you did after Angliru.
Hopefully the third time is the charm.@SHAD0W93
I agree, that we shouldn't go another circle. One question still remaining, if Jonas is out and you don't feel it's Kuss, who in your opinion is Vismas second choice for a GT GC lead?
If Vingegaard isn’t in shape to win Visma have better options than GC Kuss; Jorgensen, WVA stage hunting/KoM/Points, Kooij, Kelderman, or stage hunting with their riders.
I think Jorgensen can top 5 if everything goes the teams way, which is better than what Kuss can provide respectively. Jorgensen also unlike Kuss has shown (winning) form this year and that he can be competitive with Roglic in a week race while Kuss hasn’t shown anything in months. But I guess if Jorgensen is actually not that good, maybe the level wasn’t so high in CdD like you thought.@SHAD0W93
OK so in your opinion Jorgenson should be Vismas GC lead, if Jonas won't have it. And they should aim for top 10? Here is see that Sepp was indeed outside top 10 at Giro/Tour in 2023, only finished 14th and 12th respectively!
I think Jorgensen can top 5 if everything goes the teams way, which is better than what Kuss can provide respectively.
Jorgensen also unlike Kuss has shown (winning) form this year and that he can be competitive with Roglic in a week race while Kuss hasn’t shown anything in months. But I guess if Jorgensen is actually not that good, maybe the level wasn’t so high in CdD like you thought.
It wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't politics from him to ensure that he is a leader for this year's Vuelta. I think if last years Vuelta taught Sepp anything, it was he has to stick up for himself as no one else will. (except maybe the fans).That kind of talk is dangerous, because he has to back it up with at least a GT podium.
If I were Kuss I'd be very humble and low-key about the Vuelta.
If everything goes the teams way not really considering how much he’s improved upon joining the team and Visma’s past two heads at the Tour.I love the kid as a cyclist but Jorgensen top 5 is hilarious
Kuss can be the leader in GTs where Vingegaard will not compete, and also help Vingegaard in the Tour.It wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't politics from him to ensure that he is a leader for this year's Vuelta. I think if last years Vuelta taught Sepp anything, it was he has to stick up for himself as no one else will. (except maybe the fans).
I think he got asked a question, and he responded. How would you have responded?... "yes in fact, I was gifted the win and I realize they need a new leader for this years race?" He clearly wants to be a leader and he wants the salary that goes along with that.
I agree.Kuss can be the leader in GTs where Vingegaard will not compete, and also help Vingegaard in the Tour.
"Of course, it would change a bit [his Tour status]. I would hope that Jonas could do the Tour, I think that gives us all a bigger purpose," Kuss told reporters in Gannat ahead of stage 2 in France.
"For me, it's easier there with Jonas than just on my own for sure. But if he isn't there, then I'm ready to adapt but then you have to adjust the expectations a bit."
Kuss also made sure not to pigeonhole himself for a specific goal at the Tour de France should he end up as a leader, be that a top-five or podium finish, aware that Vingegaard's still undecided presence would change everything.
"I have no idea," he replied with a smile when asked how high he could finish if tasked with taking on the likes of Tadej Pogačar (UAE Team Emirates) for the overall alone.
"It depends on so many things. I always want to shoot for the best but in the Tour, you have to be realistic," Kuss said. "It's the hardest race to win and the hardest race to be on the podium."
As an American, he seems to have a boasted ego from success and starts talking cocky. Very Americany thing to do.That kind of talk is dangerous, because he has to back it up with at least a GT podium.
If I were Kuss I'd be very humble and low-key about the Vuelta.