Sergio Henao

[hrotha]

Not sure henao is talking about the WADA test as being 14th Feb here?

I guess he might be lying, misremembering or misspeaking, or the journalist might have jumbled up the transcription, but the text is unambiguous as it stands: the WADA folks contacted him and conducted their test on February 14th.

 

[hfer07]

Henao's interview:

http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/ci...ao-hablo-de-su-aislamiento-del-sky_13723957-4

English Translation:

Qué analiza del inconveniente por el que pasa?
Son controles normales que hace la Unión Ciclista Internacional (UCI) regularmente. Me han hecho, en lo que llevo en el Sky, cerca de 60 controles y no he tenido ningún problema. Es algo interno del equipo. Nunca la UCI ni la Agencia Mundial Antidopaje (AMA) han dicho algo sobre mi, nada sospechoso.

What is your analysis of the inconvenient you're going through?
Those are normal controls done by the UCI-very regular. I've had undergone 60 since the time at SKY and I haven't had any problem at all. This one in particular is INTERNAL-From the Team. Neither the UCI not WADA have ever said anything suspicious about me.

¿Qué le dijo el Sky?
El equipo solo quiere aclarar unos valores que no eran iguales a los anteriores en Colombia. Respeto la decisión, la acato y eso es lo que quieren hacer.

What did SKY tell you?

The team only wants to clarify some values that aren't similar/equal to the past I've had while in Colombia. I respect their decision, I follow it & that's what they want me to do.

Si los resultados se conocieron hace tiempo, ¿por qué esperaron comunicarlo la semana pasada?
Ellos quieren proteger al equipo ante la UCI, demostrar que son limpios. Nosotros ya conocíamos la noticia desde hace mucho tiempo. Ellos estaban buscando la mejor opción para comunicarlo para evitar especulaciones.


If the results were known for a long time-then why they waited to communicate it last week?

They (SKY) want to protect the team's image before the UCI & demonstrate the team is clean. they (SKY) were looking the best option to communicate it to avoid speculations.

¿El problema fue en el perfil hematológico?
Sí, el perfil que normal maneja uno. Nunca habían encontrado nada raro cuando he estado acá y en Colombia. Estuve cerca de cuatro meses viviendo en Rionegro, ni salí a vacaciones a ninguna parte, a tierra caliente, siempre estuve en altitud. No tengo nada que ocultar y estoy tranquilo. El equipo lo que quiere es analizar, mirar bien y eso lo acato. Me expongo a lo que van a investigar.

Was the problem "hematologic"?

Yes- its about my personal profile. They have never found anything abnormal before every time I've had come back to Colombia. I spent approximately four (4) months living in Rionegro-never went elsewhere for holydays at all-always there (Rionegro) in Altitude. I have nothing to hide-therefore I'm tranquil. The Team only wants to analyze, take a good look, and I'm simply obeying. I'm available for whatever they want to investigate.

¿Qué control fue?
El control que mira el Sky fue el que se hizo el 14 de febrero. La gente de la AMA me llama. En el horario que yo tenía estipulado en el Adams era de 6 de la mañana a 7. Me llaman y me dicen que no podía llegar a las 7, que se había extraviado, que si lo podía esperar y lo esperé hasta las 9 y perfecto.


Which was the Control Test?

the One SKY is looking closely, is the one done on february 14th. WADA personnel called me up to undergo it, but I already had the ADAMS test scheduled between 6 & 7 AM. They (WADA) then said they would show up later-not around 7 since the tester got lost & asked to be available until 9 AM, which I told them fine.

¿Cuándo regresa a Colombia?
Estamos esperando a ver. Queremos saber si podemos utilizar los laboratorios avalados por la AMA en Colombia para analizar los exámenes que me harán y no tengo definido cuando regreso.

When will you return to Colombia?
I'm still waiting and see what's next. We want to know if we can utilize the WADA labs in Colombia to analiyze the tests that I will be undergoing-so I have no confirmation yet when to return


¿Qué proceso sigue ahora?
Debo enviar una carta a la Federación para poder si alguien en Colombia presta los laboratorios certificados por la AMA. Una vez arregle eso, pues viajará a Colombia para hacerme esos exámenes, los seguimientos que quieren hacer ellos y volver a competir, pues eso me ha perjudicado. Eso depende de una respuesta de si podemos usar los laboratorios.

What is the procedure to follow from now on?
I have to send a letter to the Colombian Cycling federation to request permission to use the WADA labs in Colombia and have that sorted out-then I will travel back to undergo the tests, follow all their advises & then going back to competition, since this situation has only perjure me. All depends alone to whether or not the team is able to use the labs.

 

[Justinr]

No Armstrong went wrong because he was a gigantic a$$hole who made too many enemies and believed he was too big to fall.

As for his PR most saw through that by the end of 2005!

Off topic i know but if Lance had rescued Landis when he came back i wonder if the whole house of cards would have stayed upright...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I guess he might be lying, misremembering or misspeaking, or the journalist might have jumbled up the transcription, but the text is unambiguous as it stands: the WADA folks contacted him and conducted their test on February 14th.

I can't imagine a Sky tester. If it was, I can't imagine a team having to ask a rider for them to wait coz they were lost - surely they'd just say - wait, we're on our way.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Is 2+ hours enough warning to get your body flushed / "clean"? I would say it's enough time to call a doctor and have them come and "clean" you before the testers arrive. They can't arrive by 7am so it's clearly before 7am when they call, and they are going to arrive around 9am. That's some serious lostness... Particularly given you'd plan to arrive way before 7am, not 7am on the dot...

Just sayin'.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

English Translation:What is your analysis of the inconvenient you're going through? Those are normal controls done by the UCI-very regular. I've had undergone 60 since the time at SKY and I haven't had any problem at all. This one in particular is INTERNAL-From the Team. Neither the UCI not WADA have ever said anything suspicious about me.

Sounds like a haematocrit issue and SKY is trying to resolve it before the UCI or the Columbian Anti-Doping Agency steps in.

 

[BYOP88]

Is 2 hours enough warning to get your body flushed / "clean"? I would say it's enough time to call a doctor and have them come and "clean" you before the testers arrive.

Just sayin'.

20 minutes is enough isn't it? Just going on the Armstrong thing, where there was a 'surprise' test and he asked if he could go for a quick shower whilst the Hog checked to see if the tester was a legit one.

 

[hrotha]

Is 2+ hours enough warning to get your body flushed / "clean"? I would say it's enough time to call a doctor and have them come and "clean" you before the testers arrive. They can't arrive by 7am so it's clearly before 7am when they call, and they are going to arrive around 9am. That's some serious lostness... Particularly given you'd plan to arrive way before 7am, not 7am on the dot...

Just sayin'.

Surely it's more than enough for hematological issues, but at any rate I reckon those 2 hours would have been unnecessary. He has 23 hours a day to time anything so that he's not glowing on the one hour he's scheduled as being permanently available for testing.

 

[BYOP88]

Sounds like a haematocrit issue and SKY is trying to resolve it before the UCI or the Columbian Anti-Doping Agency steps in.

Not really Sky's job is it?

 

[bewildered]

Sky do not do internal tests. Where on earth are you getting this idea from? AMA is NOT Sky.

Great username, btw

Sorry my bad. It was just from the initial story about an ooc test in colombia last october and that the anomaly was flagged during separate internal controls and was an internal matter only. It had been suggested by someone that Sky might have been doing their own checks after JTL

 

[hfer07]

So needless to say- the SKY's PR on the OCTOBER issue is completely bogus and misleading

too bad for a team with a reputation that high in regards of "Clean Record" and Openness....

 

[Justinr]

Sorry my bad. It was just from the initial story about an ooc test in colombia last october and that the anomaly was flagged during separate internal controls and was an internal matter only. It had been suggested by someone that Sky might have been doing their own checks after JTL

I think the initial news story was that the test was done after he returned to columbia in october. I read that to mean he returned in october and the test was done after that. Also again i think the news stories have it that Sky thought the results were odd not the agencies.

 

[Almeisan]

sockpuppet

 

[hfer07]

Sounds like a haematocrit issue and SKY is trying to resolve it before the UCI or the Columbian Anti-Doping Agency steps in.

BINGO

10 char

 

[gospina]

some clarifications before you guys continue to make up stuff, throw smoke all around:

1) The October timeframe was made up in this forum. It never came from official announcements.
2) ADAMS is the computerized system where each rider needs to register, to show when they will be available each day for testing. Henao had already been told to stay at home from 6am to 7am by the ADAMS system.
3) It is VERY EASY to get lost in Colombia. I know you won't believe this, but Colombia has roads, has cars, has traffic, has GPS, but when you start going into the mountains, there are no street signs. You make the wrong turn, no possible U-turns or you go on a wet area, you get stuck in a mud road. 2 hours is very possible.
4) Henao doesn't have to flush his system out. If he was 'detoxing', he would have done it already for the 6am-7am time period. Waiting 2 hours won't make a difference. They were lost, they could have been there at any time, ended it up being 2 hours. Henao didn't have an issue waiting. Why should he?
5) The blood value we are talking about wasn't steroids, wasn't the new test, it was a standard test, specifically, his hemocrit level was over 50%. This has happened to him in the past, in 2007, where he had to sit out until it came back down.
6) Colombians in altitude have a level around 50%-52%. This has been documented in many places, outside cycling. A number over 50% does not mean EPO
7) It has also been documented why EPO wouldn't help people with such high numbers. If they are naturally at 48%, 49%, they only get a 1% increase before they are stopped from riding. Note that this does not mean doping by any organization, just means you are not allowed to ride.
8) Supposedly Armstrong was around 38%, which allowed EPO to give him a 12% boost in oxygen. Cases like this is why the "everyone dopes" argument is invalid. It helps some people a lot more than others

 

[TheGame]

Is 2+ hours enough warning to get your body flushed / "clean"? I would say it's enough time to call a doctor and have them come and "clean" you before the testers arrive. They can't arrive by 7am so it's clearly before 7am when they call, and they are going to arrive around 9am. That's some serious lostness... Particularly given you'd plan to arrive way before 7am, not 7am on the dot...

Just sayin'.

And what would have happened if the tester had arrived within the allotted window of 7am to 8am?

So Henao doped, wasn't worried about being clean for his declared ADAMS window from 7am, but instead panicked and got clean for a later test.

Yes. That makes perfect sense.

 

[hrotha]

1) The October timeframe was made up in this forum. It never came from official announcements.

It wasn't made up. It was mentioned as a terminus post quem, since Sky said the test was done after Henao returned to Colombia, and he raced Lombardia in early October.

The February 14th test wasn't done in Colombia, and the WADA folks didn't get lost in Colombia. Henao mentions discrepancies between that February 14th test and an earlier one done in Colombia, for which we still don't know a date (and October remains as the terminus post quem for that one).

 

[TheGame]

some clarifications before you guys continue to make up stuff, throw smoke all around:

5) The blood value we are talking about wasn't steroids, wasn't the new test, it was a standard test, specifically, his hemocrit level was over 50%. This has happened to him in the past, in 2007, where he had to sit out until it came back down

WOOOOOAAAAHHHHH hold on.

Where are you getting this from? Source?

Or are just making stuff up and throwing smoke all around?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And what would have happened if the tester had arrived within the allotted window of 7am to 8am?

So Henao doped, wasn't worried about being clean for his declared ADAMS window from 7am, but instead panicked and got clean for a later test.

Yes. That makes perfect sense.

Warning a rider 2 hours before a doping test renders the testing procedure null and void, as far as I am concerned.

I am sure others would agree.

Yes, that makes perfect sense.

 

[HSNHSN]

some clarifications before you guys continue to make up stuff, throw smoke all around:

8) Supposedly Armstrong was around 38%, which allowed EPO to give him a 12% boost in oxygen. Cases like this is why the "everyone dopes" argument is invalid. It helps some people a lot more than others

Apart from the fact that point 1) is blatantly wrong, as mentioned before, I have a problem with this statement as well. You seem to be suggesting that every form of doping raises haematocrit levels and this isn't the case. In fact, only specific forms of doping do raise these levels. If your natural Ht is around 50%, it indeed isn't useful to try to boost it. However, it is still very well possible to use any other form of doping. I don't think everyone dopes, but this doesn't seem to be a valid counterargument to that statement, unfortunately.

 

[bewildered]

And what would have happened if the tester had arrived within the allotted window of 7am to 8am?

So Henao doped, wasn't worried about being clean for his declared ADAMS window from 7am, but instead panicked and got clean for a later test.

Yes. That makes perfect sense.

Something quite different to what actually happened may have happened. He was given advance notice of what was supposed to be a 'surprise' test. That renders the results somewhat unreliable.

Do you think that athletes who dope ooc are never 'glowing' during their ADAMS hour?

 

[TheGame]

Do you think that athletes who dope ooc are never 'glowing' during their ADAMS hour?

How many positives for Epo in 2012 in OOC Adams testing?

0.11%

They would need to be pretty dumb to glow during ADAM's hour

 

[neineinei]

some clarifications before you guys continue to make up stuff, throw smoke all around:

1) The October timeframe was made up in this forum. It never came from official announcements.
2) ADAMS is the computerized system where each rider needs to register, to show when they will be available each day for testing. Henao had already been told to stay at home from 6am to 7am by the ADAMS system.
3) It is VERY EASY to get lost in Colombia. I know you won't believe this, but Colombia has roads, has cars, has traffic, has GPS, but when you start going into the mountains, there are no street signs. You make the wrong turn, no possible U-turns or you go on a wet area, you get stuck in a mud road. 2 hours is very possible.
4) Henao doesn't have to flush his system out. If he was 'detoxing', he would have done it already for the 6am-7am time period. Waiting 2 hours won't make a difference. They were lost, they could have been there at any time, ended it up being 2 hours. Henao didn't have an issue waiting. Why should he?
5) The blood value we are talking about wasn't steroids, wasn't the new test, it was a standard test, specifically, his hemocrit level was over 50%. This has happened to him in the past, in 2007, where he had to sit out until it came back down.
6) Colombians in altitude have a level around 50%-52%. This has been documented in many places, outside cycling. A number over 50% does not mean EPO
7) It has also been documented why EPO wouldn't help people with such high numbers. If they are naturally at 48%, 49%, they only get a 1% increase before they are stopped from riding. Note that this does not mean doping by any organization, just means you are not allowed to ride.
8) Supposedly Armstrong was around 38%, which allowed EPO to give him a 12% boost in oxygen. Cases like this is why the "everyone dopes" argument is invalid. It helps some people a lot more than others

1) The Sky statement was so confusing about when the test was taken that both Cyclingnews and L'Equipe wrote that the test was taken in October.
2) It wasn't ADAMS that told Henao to stay home between 6 and 7, it was Henao who'd plotted into ADAMS that he would be home between 6 and 7. The tests are supposed to be unannounced, and for a good reason.
3) If a tester gets lost he should just cancel that days test and instead try again the next day. Without telling Henao about it.
4) According to Sky he had never been tested OOC before in Colombia. The riders has to be available for the testers one hour every day. If you have to "detox" every day at least there is some merit to the saying "the peloton is cleaner now."
5) All we now is that it was a ABP blood test, not exactly what was suspisious about it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

How many positives for Epo in 2012 in OOC Adams testing?

0.11%

They would need to be pretty dumb to glow during ADAM's hour

Got a link?

Now add in every single missed ADAMs whereabout hour, because they are effectively the same thing.

 

[TheGame]

Got a link?

Now add in every single missed ADAMs whereabout hour, because they are effectively the same thing.

source
http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/managing-the-grades/

Very few riders get caught through OOC. Certainly as far as EPO goes, (and positives for steroids, etc are minimal)