Sergio Henao

[sniper]

...
Yes "altitude natives"; what will they think of next?

isn't froome an altitude native as well?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

On the contrary, the BP requires constant testing to be even remotely effective.

no it doesn´t all it needs is steady testing and steady profile. for instance if a rider shows similar bloodvalues all year long he won´t be tested much. why would they? he's clean. keep in mind riders always get tested some way or another. but a rider doesn't need 50 tests a year. blood doesn't fluctuate that much, and when doping is in place it will and it will show even months from testing apart. also the colombians do get controlled in colombia. uci have controllers everywhere. this henao thing has nothing to do with uci. uci don't find it suspcious and sky want to show how much they improved their policy.

also I'm not wrong about there barely being out of competition controls. uci themselves have posted figures about this yearly, which were very low

 

[sniper]

no it doesn´t all it needs is steady testing and steady profile.
also I'm not wrong about there barely being out of competition controls.

you gotta be kidding me.
the responses were to you quite explicitly suggesting steady testing isn't needed anymore within the passport system.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Ryo,

You are wrong on several points of fact there.

Just as an example, all my blood parameters return to 'normal' about as quickly 2-3 weeks after donating blood. Certain parameters of the blood return even faster than that.

An extending off season without tests, means I could have banked a bag (or more) of blood without detection.

I'm certainly not an elite athlete, but I train pretty diligently.


(normal of course being a range not a single value)


As for the whereabouts, they can and do (certainly in the UK) pull people for testing outside of the specified hour. However I'm 99% certain that if they don't find you it doesn't count as a missed test.

Not where you say you would be in the hour, and they call that's one strike in the missed test count.

 

[King Boonen]

As for the whereabouts, they can and do (certainly in the UK) pull people for testing outside of the specified hour. However I'm 99% certain that if they don't find you it doesn't count as a missed test.

Not where you say you would be in the hour, and they call that's one strike in the missed test count.

Yeah, I'm sure that they can pull you whenever but it's only a missed test within the hour specified.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Ryo,

You are wrong on several points of fact there.

Just as an example, all my blood parameters return to 'normal' about as quickly 2-3 weeks after donating blood. Certain parameters of the blood return even faster than that.

An extending off season without tests, means I could have banked a bag (or more) of blood without detection.

I'm certainly not an elite athlete, but I train pretty diligently.


(normal of course being a range not a single value)


As for the whereabouts, they can and do (certainly in the UK) pull people for testing outside of the specified hour. However I'm 99% certain that if they don't find you it doesn't count as a missed test.

Not where you say you would be in the hour, and they call that's one strike in the missed test count.

if you take epo in the winter your bloodvalues will fluctuate that even tetsing much later will show the curve it made to be different than normal. riders get tested maybe once a month out of competition, also in colombia. that's more than enough

 

[Catwhoorg]

Mollema tweeted on March 12th, that he was having his first blood test on the year.

Thats certainly not monthly.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Mollema tweeted on March 12th, that he was having his first blood test on the year.

Thats certainly not monthly.

that's why I said maybe. take 1 month or not. I know of a colombian rider who just turned to europe first time. he will have his first out of competition in control in colombia after he returns from crit international

 

[Catwhoorg]

Lack of OOC controls for the passport is an issue beyond Columbians and beyond Sky, and has been an issue for several years.

The Biopassport program had the number of tests carried out cut dramatically after its initial inception.

It should be something that creates a fear of being caught.
Right now it seems more of a joke, especially after Horner published his profile for everyone to see.

 

[sniper]

Lack of OOC controls for the passport is an issue beyond Columbians and beyond Sky, and has been an issue for several years.

The Biopassport program had the number of tests carried out cut dramatically after its initial inception.

It should be something that creates a fear of being caught.
Right now it seems more of a joke, especially after Horner published his profile for everyone to see.

the passport´s been reduced to a minor intelligence test.
henao failed it

 

[Benotti69]

if you take epo in the winter your bloodvalues will fluctuate that even tetsing much later will show the curve it made to be different than normal. riders get tested maybe once a month out of competition, also in colombia. that's more than enough

Bauke Mollema tweeted about his 1st BP test being March this year. (edit: didnt see Catwhoorg's post )

"Tested maybe once a month", hahahaha, testing Colombia is going to be better than elsewhere?

Sky admitted their Colombians never BP tested in Colombia!

 

[Benotti69]

the passport´s been reduced to a minor intelligence test.
henao failed it

The passport has forced teams to get their doping logistically down to a fine art to avoid giving UCI the chance to 'penalise' teams.

Wasn't it Kohl who said the BP helped teams dope. Hence the need for 4 docs per team.

 

[Benotti69]

Lack of OOC controls for the passport is an issue beyond Columbians and beyond Sky, and has been an issue for several years.

The Biopassport program had the number of tests carried out cut dramatically after its initial inception.

It should be something that creates a fear of being caught.
Right now it seems more of a joke, especially after Horner published his profile for everyone to see.

Wiggins 2009 TdF profile and Hesjedal's Giro'12 profiles showed a rise in BP profiles in the 3rd weeks and JV dismissed it as machine error

No doubt Henao's results will be dismissed as similar.

 

[zigmeister]

We have already had the discussion, and stats were provided regarding how often riders are tested.

Riders have been tested less and less over the past several years, that is a fact. Some only getting tested 2x times over the course of a season.

Some riders much more.

But in general, we know the number of tests have been less.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Bauke Mollema tweeted about his 1st BP test being March this year. (edit: didnt see Catwhoorg's post )

"Tested maybe once a month", hahahaha, testing Colombia is going to be better than elsewhere?

Sky admitted their Colombians never BP tested in Colombia!

where?


......

 

[Netserk]

where?


......

https://twitter.com/franmillar/status/448211157451808769

 

[Catwhoorg]

Fran Millar on twitter. She is expecting to amend the issued statement today for clarity.

Fran Millar ‏@franmillar 17h

@dimspace Our athletes - not sure if other Colombians have been tested we haven't had them on our athletes before. Just to be totally clear

 

[BYOP88]

where?


......

Fran Millar ‏@franmillar 17h
@dimspace this was the first time our altitude native athletes were tested as part of the ABP at home in Colombia. (2)

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

https://twitter.com/franmillar/status/448211157451808769

lol? some twitter account as a source? pls come with something better, who is davi(dim) whatever

 

[red_flanders]

lol? some twitter account as a source? pls come with something better, who is davi(dim) whatever

Your unfamiliarity with the source means nothing RE: the source's credibility. Twitter is simply a platform, and sources are often original. It's as valid and often more so than other media.

 

[Ney the Viking]

lol? some twitter account as a source? pls come with something better, who is davi(dim) whatever

oh dear me ...

 

[The Hitch]

lol? some twitter account as a source? pls come with something better, who is davi(dim) whatever

The source is team skys Pr officer, sister of David Millar.

Will you admit you were wrong?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The source is team skys Pr officer, sister of David Millar.

Will you admit you were wrong?

what does a pr officer know? only what sky tells him.

 

[hrotha]

what does a pr officer know? only what sky tells him.

Her.
What does she know? It's literally her job to know this stuff to communicate it to the media.
What do *you* know?

 

[TheGame]

The source is team skys Pr officer, sister of David Millar.

Will you admit you were wrong?

Not to be pedantic, but Fran is not the PR officer, she is director of business operations.

Higher up than PR