Shane Sutton - Team Sky coach

[keeponrollin]

Man the blood is really in the water now for the media, they aren't going to let this one go now .... a least not the ones who aren't owned by another foul mouthed australian midget

 

[DirtyWorks]

Maybe this is our guy that blows up the whole show? Head of well known, successful cycling program living above a bike shop gets dismissed because he's not fit for marginally complex human interaction.

How can they shuffle a hothead like this to the sidelines and get his guaranteed silence? Oh yeah, this could get good.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re:

Man the blood is really in the water now for the media, they aren't going to let this one go now .... a least not the ones who aren't owned by another foul mouthed australian midget

Not really. There would have to be video of the BC board delivering large boxes labeled "Armstrong's EPO" with injections to follow.

BC is a tight ship. Cut a couple of wildcards and it's back to business of ignoring the women that deliver results. I'm hoping Sutton's a little too wild and gets blacklisted.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re:

Man the blood is really in the water now for the media, they aren't going to let this one go now .... a least not the ones who aren't owned by another foul mouthed australian midget

Wait until someone accuses Sutton or other personnel of favoritism based on who they were sleeping with, which seems to be par for the course in situations like this. Then the blood will start to flow.

 

[Random Direction]

Sutton sounds like the perfect narcissist. Known to be evil my 90 percent of those around him, likely managed up to Sir Dave well, made himself irreplaceable, and probably lived out many lies. I've worked with one in the past. There will be many, many skeletons in his closet, many stories untrue, lots the higher ups didn't know and a LOT of people with daggers ready to strike.

Follow the money, the gear for drugs or his personal predelictions to find the skeletons. Did Sutton have any, shall we say, interesting interests.

This is going to blow a hole in the mother ship.

 

[pastronef]

hard times ahead if the predictions of DamianoMachiavelli and RandomDirection come true

 

[sniper]

Re: dope

Not too hard to imagine there is also a doping program within BC.

it's hard to imagine there isn't.

probably the only thing sutton really excels at is showing riders where to find the honey.

it's a small miracle that sutton's own doping hasn't been exposed yet.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: dope

Not too hard to imagine there is also a doping program within BC.

dopers cuss....cussers dope...................obvious

Mark L

You do know that Shane Sutton has witnesses that he doped right?

Also playing down the current scandal as merely Sutton cussing a few times is Pravda worthy. The guy was caught selling ta payer funded bikes for his own profit.

Im surprised at you ebandit. Your always claiming to be neutral. But deliberately ignoring facts and falsifying the situation to make Sutton look innocent, it's almost like you have some agenda.

 

[The Hitch]

2 corrections then.

1 he wasn't merely cussing. Laughing at disabled people behind their backs and calling disabled people who work for you "gimps", is not the same as saying the f word

2 Its not -dopers cuss....cussers dope
Its -dopers cuss.....witnesses

 

[sniper]

Brief recap of Sutton's doping:

An orbeas post earlier in this thread:

"common knowledge in the UK in the 80's about him [Sutton] doping" viewtopic.php?p=1059724#p1059724

Daily Mail article (the subject is not explicitly mentioned, but it's hardly controversial that it's Sutton):

"The claims are specific and revolve around the injection of drugs at races when the employee rode for other teams. They come from three separate independent sources."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html#ixzz3dEJwO0pR

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: dope

Not too hard to imagine there is also a doping program within BC.

dopers cuss....cussers dope...................obvious

Mark L

wow ..........really ...........just wow.....
nice.......comments.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

Brief recap of Sutton's doping:

An orbeas post earlier in this thread:

"common knowledge in the UK in the 80's about him [Sutton] doping" viewtopic.php?p=1059724#p1059724

Daily Mail article (the subject is not explicitly mentioned, but it's hardly controversial that it's Sutton):

"The claims are specific and revolve around the injection of drugs at races when the employee rode for other teams. They come from three separate independent sources."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html#ixzz3dEJwO0pR

Good links Sniper. Thanks.

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Re: Re:

Brief recap of Sutton's doping:

An orbeas post earlier in this thread:

"common knowledge in the UK in the 80's about him [Sutton] doping" viewtopic.php?p=1059724#p1059724

Daily Mail article (the subject is not explicitly mentioned, but it's hardly controversial that it's Sutton):

"The claims are specific and revolve around the injection of drugs at races when the employee rode for other teams. They come from three separate independent sources."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html#ixzz3dEJwO0pR

Good links Sniper. Thanks.

They are good links, thanks. I just wondered if article 1 (the Mail) might not have been Sean Yates wriggling.

Loved the comment under that one:

Team Sky are setting the standards for the future. They are laying out their standards and behaviours for all to see. They are like others open to scandal by involvement with previous dopers but should be applauded for their zero tolerance policy. Not winning is better than cheating. Everybody is in danger in entanglement with previous misdemeanours and Sky are trying to distance themselves by rooting out all, both previous and today dopers.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html#ixzz47WuhPIas
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

...
They are good links, thanks. I just wondered if article 1 (the Mail) might not have been Sean Yates wriggling.

Loved the comment under that one:

Team Sky are setting the standards for the future. They are laying out their standards and behaviours for all to see. They are like others open to scandal by involvement with previous dopers but should be applauded for their zero tolerance policy. Not winning is better than cheating. Everybody is in danger in entanglement with previous misdemeanours and Sky are trying to distance themselves by rooting out all, both previous and today dopers.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html#ixzz47WuhPIas
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

esafosfina and daryl webster not leaving much to the imagination:
viewtopic.php?p=1069936#p1069936
viewtopic.php?p=1069958#p1069958

 

[Benotti69]

ouch....

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/germain-burton-leaves-british-cycling-development-programme-224134

 

[thehog]

“Apparently he has held me in his arms many times. I can tell you Shane has never thrown his arms around me.”

As for him helping decorate her house, she said: “That was Shane on a good day. My relationship with Shane was good before Beijing but notice he was talking about the lead-up to 2008. It would be interesting to ask how he was with me in the lead-up to London. That might be a different story.

“It’s all very well being supportive some of the time, but when you trust someone and they turn their back on you it’s the most heart-breaking thing they can do. Shane can be a great bloke, but not all the time and it’s a toss of the coin which side you get.”

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/victoria-pendleton-rubbishes-shane-suttons-claims-support-towards-224594#MPmDROQA0Sws5JWq.99


More BS from Sutton..

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Girl Power v. Sutton & BC
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/may/11/shane-sutton-victoria-pendleton-british-cycling-technical-director

 

[Robert21]

Some athletes don’t mind the kind of encouragement that borders on bullying. They might even welcome it, if the treatment pushes them closer to their goal. And if, of course, it comes from a source whose harsh manner is balanced by a sensitivity to the nuances of their sport. Many of those in Sutton’s charge respected his profound knowledge as well as his commitment to their success. “He’s a mad dude, but I love him,” Millar said of Sutton this week. “I know he would run through a brick wall for me.”

Back in 2002, Sutton was a brilliant acquisition. His nous and drive were just what the emerging generation of British cyclists needed – but only in combination with Brailsford’s visionary management and the ability of Dr Steve Peters to soothe away an athlete’s self-doubt...

In any army, good regimental sergeant majors are worth their weight in gold, and for a dozen years Sutton was worth his weight in gold medals. But the qualities of a good RSM are not those of a commanding officer, who needs a gift for diplomacy and strategic thinking. The CO will ensure that the RSM’s methods of discipline and motivation are kept within the proper bounds. Those who elevated Sutton to a position that exposed his weaknesses must take responsibility for the events of the past fortnight, and for the possible consequences in Rio. So must Brailsford, whose unwillingness to create a women’s squad at Team Sky lies behind much of the support for Varnish’s act of revenge.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/may/06/shane-sutton-sergeant-major-commanding-officer-cycling-rio-2016

 

[Robert21]

In a world of high-budget sport where pr spin and ‘controlling the narrative’ have now become objectives sometimes as important as the results themselves, Shane Sutton - sometimes for better, sometimes, as has become dramatically obvious this week, for worse - has always been one to speak his mind.

“He is a no-nonsense, fantastic motivator, but he calls a spade a spade, too,” one former British professional rider who raced with Sutton in the 1980s and who knows him well, tells The Independent. “His ability to read a race is brilliant, particularly in terms of track cycling. I don’t think there’s a better person for track craft out there.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/shane-sutton-and-i-two-words-he-always-brought-to-mind-were-nervous-energy-a7004286.html

I was involved with Shane and everyone knew that he was a straight talker, no nonsense and that he could read a rider," he told Cyclingnews.

“I’ve been disappointed to see trial by press over the last week, which whatever you think of an individual, I don’t think that’s fair but now you have an inquiry underway so I’d say let it do its job and lets see what happens.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boardman-british-cyclings-trial-by-press-has-been-disappointing/

 

[gillan1969]

Re:

Some athletes don’t mind the kind of encouragement that borders on bullying. They might even welcome it, if the treatment pushes them closer to their goal. And if, of course, it comes from a source whose harsh manner is balanced by a sensitivity to the nuances of their sport. Many of those in Sutton’s charge respected his profound knowledge as well as his commitment to their success. “He’s a mad dude, but I love him,” Millar said of Sutton this week. “I know he would run through a brick wall for me.”

Back in 2002, Sutton was a brilliant acquisition. His nous and drive were just what the emerging generation of British cyclists needed – but only in combination with Brailsford’s visionary management and the ability of Dr Steve Peters to soothe away an athlete’s self-doubt...

In any army, good regimental sergeant majors are worth their weight in gold, and for a dozen years Sutton was worth his weight in gold medals. But the qualities of a good RSM are not those of a commanding officer, who needs a gift for diplomacy and strategic thinking. The CO will ensure that the RSM’s methods of discipline and motivation are kept within the proper bounds. Those who elevated Sutton to a position that exposed his weaknesses must take responsibility for the events of the past fortnight, and for the possible consequences in Rio. So must Brailsford, whose unwillingness to create a women’s squad at Team Sky lies behind much of the support for Varnish’s act of revenge.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/may/06/shane-sutton-sergeant-major-commanding-officer-cycling-rio-2016

public organisations have standards that differ from private...and rightly so

Shane knows where he can go to be 'tough' if he wants....

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

In a world of high-budget sport where pr spin and ‘controlling the narrative’ have now become objectives sometimes as important as the results themselves, Shane Sutton - sometimes for better, sometimes, as has become dramatically obvious this week, for worse - has always been one to speak his mind.

“He is a no-nonsense, fantastic motivator, but he calls a spade a spade, too,” one former British professional rider who raced with Sutton in the 1980s and who knows him well, tells The Independent. “His ability to read a race is brilliant, particularly in terms of track cycling. I don’t think there’s a better person for track craft out there.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/shane-sutton-and-i-two-words-he-always-brought-to-mind-were-nervous-energy-a7004286.html

I was involved with Shane and everyone knew that he was a straight talker, no nonsense and that he could read a rider," he told Cyclingnews.

“I’ve been disappointed to see trial by press over the last week, which whatever you think of an individual, I don’t think that’s fair but now you have an inquiry underway so I’d say let it do its job and lets see what happens.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boardman-british-cyclings-trial-by-press-has-been-disappointing/

He also calls paralympians 'gimps' and 'wobblies'.....wonder what he calls the Aborigine Australians.....

 

[Robert21]

Re: Re:

He also calls paralympians 'gimps' and 'wobblies'.....wonder what he calls the Aborigine Australians.....

Looking around the forums it seems that the paralympians use much the same terminology, and worse, to describe themselves. That said, I do know that one of the rules of politically-correct goodthinkfulness is that "Only a bunny can call another bunny 'cute'."

Personally, I think that a poster over on the UK Time Trial forum had it right when they said

I'm afraid that the rule now is to forget everything he's done because he said some nasty words that offended a few easily offended people with a grudge.

Anyhow, perhaps it's a good job that the mob have 'sexists' to get all worked up about these days. At least 'sexists' only have their careers destroyed, rather than being burnt, although I think some would still like to put Sutton to the torch if they could get away with it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

He also calls paralympians 'gimps' and 'wobblies'.....wonder what he calls the Aborigine Australians.....

Looking around the forums it seems that the paralympians use much the same terminology, and worse, to describe themselves. That said, I do know that one of the rules of politically-correct goodthinkfulness is that "Only a bunny can call another bunny 'cute'."

Personally, I think that a poster over on the UK Time Trial forum had it right when they said

I'm afraid that the rule now is to forget everything he's done because he said some nasty words that offended a few easily offended people with a grudge.

Anyhow, perhaps it's a good job that the mob have 'sexists' to get all worked up about these days. At least 'sexists' only have their careers destroyed, rather than being burnt, although I think some would still like to put Sutton to the torch if they could get away with it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw

African Americans use the 'N' word to greet each other, but that doesn't mean others can.

Your apologist views for Sutton stink of the public strategies pr company interns who used to try and defend Armstrong.

Sutton was a doper, a racist and sexist. but hey he was part of some gold medals. For some medals are everything. Poor them.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

He also calls paralympians 'gimps' and 'wobblies'.....wonder what he calls the Aborigine Australians.....

Looking around the forums it seems that the paralympians use much the same terminology, and worse, to describe themselves. That said, I do know that one of the rules of politically-correct goodthinkfulness is that "Only a bunny can call another bunny 'cute'."

Personally, I think that a poster over on the UK Time Trial forum had it right when they said

I'm afraid that the rule now is to forget everything he's done because he said some nasty words that offended a few easily offended people with a grudge.

Anyhow, perhaps it's a good job that the mob have 'sexists' to get all worked up about these days. At least 'sexists' only have their careers destroyed, rather than being burnt, although I think some would still like to put Sutton to the torch if they could get away with it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw

I could buy a PC argument.

If Sutton made it himself.

But he didn't. He claims it's not true.

So. Either he is lying, or half a dozen other people, some of who'm don't know eachother, are all lying, and for no apparent reason.

So even if we buy your argument that it is kosher to call disabled people gimps, Sutton still deserves everything he has coming to him, for slandering honest people and being a public liar himself.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

He also calls paralympians 'gimps' and 'wobblies'.....wonder what he calls the Aborigine Australians.....

Looking around the forums it seems that the paralympians use much the same terminology, and worse, to describe themselves. That said, I do know that one of the rules of politically-correct goodthinkfulness is that "Only a bunny can call another bunny 'cute'."

Personally, I think that a poster over on the UK Time Trial forum had it right when they said

I'm afraid that the rule now is to forget everything he's done because he said some nasty words that offended a few easily offended people with a grudge.

Anyhow, perhaps it's a good job that the mob have 'sexists' to get all worked up about these days. At least 'sexists' only have their careers destroyed, rather than being burnt, although I think some would still like to put Sutton to the torch if they could get away with it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw

I could buy a PC argument.

If Sutton made it himself.

But he didn't. He claims it's not true.

So. Either he is lying, or half a dozen other people, some of who'm don't know eachother, are all lying, and for no apparent reason.

So even if we buy your argument that it is kosher to call disabled people gimps, Sutton still deserves everything he has coming to him, for slandering honest people and being a public liar himself.

Agree with all of this.

There is an old metaphor, ‘hard but fair’ used in sports, however Sutton is, ‘hard, not fair and blatantly ignorant’.

And ignorance is what the issue comes down to; there appears to be a band of journalists advocate his behaviour as part of his toughness.

Journalists like Walsh appear to think Sutton is just hard, however there is a big difference between;

“keeping pushing, harder, another lap under 44 seconds, c’mon, don’t stop, never give up!”

compared to;

“get those f***ing gimps of the track, they are wasting our time and get our guys out there”, “you’re being cut from the team ‘cos you’re a** is too fat, go make some babies, now f** off!”