Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[Clausfarre]

This new myth about training being poor before Sky is laughable. Remember the Telekom days? We saw a lot of very organized training, equipment development etc. I think most teams were and are extremely focused on training. What about CSC/Saxo? Team training was the cornerstone of the operation.

Drugs didn't replace training. They were both areas to get those precious marginal gains.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Froome 0.0
Rodriguez + 3'00
Contador / Alex / Andy / Wiggins / Porte / Kiri + 4'00

3'00 is what Rodriguez will lose to Froome in TT alone? Will Froome drop Purito in the mountains?

 

[airstream]

3'00 is what Rodriguez will lose to Froome in TT alone? Will Froome drop Purito in the mountains?

Very likely. Though it is unknown. We have no idea about Froome's bloodthirstiness so far. I think he will want to show who is the boss straight at Ax-3. He won't wait until someone goes.

 

[Ferminal]

Purito has every chance of beating Froome in the second ITT. Based on Milan I think 3 minutes would probably be the maximum loss you would expect in the flat one.

 

[thehog]

This guy is an insult to a lot of people, but hey, nice PR spin, that is what the Italians said way back.

A socalled scientist making statements on the basis of a guess, I guess he is full of BS.

My guess is he is lying here http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CVROhTHxWP8#t=299s

The French who introduced their own bio passport after Festina it's a total insult.

Kerrison is an idiot. The worst of the worst.

 

[airstream]

Purito has every chance of beating Froome in the second ITT. Based on Milan I think 3 minutes would probably be the maximum loss you would expect in the flat one.

On what the thought about Froome as a weak descender is based?

 

[JimmyFingers]

This guy is an insult to a lot of people, but hey, nice PR spin, that is what the Italians said way back.

A socalled scientist making statements on the basis of a guess, I guess he is full of BS.

My guess is he is lying here http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CVROhTHxWP8#t=299s

I'm not really coming down on the side of Kerrison here but everybody doped right? Everyone's still doping, right? Isn't it a logical progression to say that when you can achieve huge gains through doping the necessity to train and make innovations in training is reduced, right?

And if your opinion is that everyone is doping now, including Sky, then perhaps training innovations are why their doped riders are beating other team's doped riders. Jussayin'

Personally I think Sky should just shut up and stop trying to explain why they are doing so well.

(BTW couldn't watch the link, because I'm at work)

 

[del1962]

Purito has every chance of beating Froome in the second ITT. Based on Milan I think 3 minutes would probably be the maximum loss you would expect in the flat one.

Why would Purito take time out of Froome in 2nd time trial, I havent checked the parcour, but in the Vuelta 2012 Timetrial Froome to half a minute out of Purito which had a lot of ascent and descent.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'm not really coming down on the side of Kerrison here but everybody doped right? Everyone's still doping, right? Isn't it a logical progression to say that when you can achieve huge gains through doping the necessity to train and make innovations in training is reduced, right?

No, not really.

Have a read of how hard Tyler trained, using EPO and testosterone. He went very, very deep, and then got back home and drank some soda water and went to bed to sleep, no food, starving himself to lose weight.

These guys were hard core. And they still are, whether in Sky or not.

My armchair physiology understanding is that :

* if you take EPO or testosterone and do no training, you are not going to get fitter or stronger.

* you get fitter when your body supercompensates - through recovery - from an overload. If you ramp up your Hgb, for example, but don't overload your system (ie stress that new level of Hgb), there's nothing to supercompensate from. So no improvement occurs.

 

[JimmyFingers]

No, not really.

Have a read of how hard Tyler trained, using EPO and testosterone. He went very, very deep, and then got back home and drank some soda water and went to bed to sleep, no food, starving himself to lose weight.

These guys were hard core. And they still are, whether in Sky or not.

My armchair physiology understanding is that :

* if you take EPO or testosterone and do no training, you are not going to get fitter or stronger.

* you get fitter when your body supercompensates - through recovery - from an overload. If you ramp up your Hgb, for example, but don't overload your system (ie stress that new level of Hgb), there's nothing to supercompensate from. So no improvement occurs.

Ok, good information, ta

 

[thehog]

Purito has every chance of beating Froome in the second ITT. Based on Milan I think 3 minutes would probably be the maximum loss you would expect in the flat one.

I would subtract 2 minutes for Froome's tactical inability.

I'd subject a other minute for when Wiggins has attacked and he can't chase.

 

[BYOP88]

I would subtract 2 minutes for Froome's tactical inability.

I'd subject a other minute for when Wiggins has attacked and he can't chase.

Looking forward to an Astana 2009 rerun. Froome better keep alert on the flat stages, you never know when echelons can appear.

 

[Ferminal]

Why would Purito take time out of Froome in 2nd time trial, I havent checked the parcour, but in the Vuelta 2012 Timetrial Froome to half a minute out of Purito which had a lot of ascent and descent.

It had one 450m climb in 40km. As far as we can tell the Tour ITT will have that twice both up and down, over 32km. The descending is also more complicated.

In the Vuelta the only difference between them was the first flat section, this one has <5km of flat. The winner is likely to be the best climber/descender, TT'ing ability will not be worth much.

 

[airstream]

It had one 450m climb in 40km. As far as we can tell the Tour ITT will have that twice both up and down, over 32km. The descending is also more complicated.

In the Vuelta the only difference between them was the first flat section, this one has <5km of flat. The winner is likely to be the best climber/descender, TT'ing ability will not be worth much.

TTing ability is relevant almost always, even relatively speaking one rider drops other one, there is 100 meters between them and both go their TT's, not to mention about real TT.

 

[taiwan]

A lot of people are smoking a lot of crack today. Someone was trying to say CSF were the strongest Italian Pro Conti team in the Giro, and now Purito is going to dust Froome in a time trial? Just no.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

No, not really.

Have a read of how hard Tyler trained, using EPO and testosterone. He went very, very deep, and then got back home and drank some soda water and went to bed to sleep, no food, starving himself to lose weight.

These guys were hard core. And they still are, whether in Sky or not.

My armchair physiology understanding is that :

* if you take EPO or testosterone and do no training, you are not going to get fitter or stronger.

* you get fitter when your body supercompensates - through recovery - from an overload. If you ramp up your Hgb, for example, but don't overload your system (ie stress that new level of Hgb), there's nothing to supercompensate from. So no improvement occurs.

That is of course false. More Hb means higher VO2 max which means more watts at any given % of VO2 max which means improvement. You are essentially suggesting that a blood bag before an important race does not improve performance.

 

[zalacain]

It's okay the hype has started already on the main lunchtime news in the UK
Wiggo going for the double
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22337098

 

[thehog]

It's okay the hype has started already on the main lunchtime news in the UK
Wiggo going for the double
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22337098

Good to see Lance is praised.

Did he forget that he's meant to pretend he's not in love with him anymore?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Good to see Lance is praised.

Did he forget that he's meant to pretend he's not in love with him anymore?

You missed:
he is of the silly rings, he is on O rings now [marginal gain - 1]

 

[Angliru]

It's okay the hype has started already on the main lunchtime news in the UK
Wiggo going for the double
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22337098

This should be news to Froome since he's recently been quoted as saying that as far as he knows, he is the team's Tour leader. Also what happened to Wiggins' promise to ride for Froome at the Tour? Apparently he meant some time in the future, just not the immediate (2013) future.

 

[BroDeal]

This should be news to Froome since he's recently been quoted as saying that as far as he knows, he is the team's Tour leader. Also what happened to Wiggins' promise to ride for Froome at the Tour? Apparently he meant some time in the future, just not the immediate (2013) future.

Anyone who places a hair's weight of trust in Wiggins' word after seeing him weasel his way out of his contract with Garmin is truly an idiot. This is a man--if you can call him one--who has no problem whatsoever telling people, even signing papers to the effect, one thing then going back on his word as soon as it is convenient or advantageous to him.

If you do not think that Froome is getting some special sauce from Sky then you have to admit he is a fool for not riding for the win in the Vuelta 2011 and Tour 2012.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This should be news to Froome since he's recently been quoted as saying that as far as he knows, he is the team's Tour leader. Also what happened to Wiggins' promise to ride for Froome at the Tour? Apparently he meant some time in the future, just not the immediate (2013) future.

I had understood it similarly. Froome rides for Wiggo at the Giro, then switch roles for the TdF.

I wonder how Brailsford will manage the appearances when those two go 1-2 and destroy the field trying to destroy each other.

I see Sky podium sweeps.

 

[The Hitch]

This should be news to Froome since he's recently been quoted as saying that as far as he knows, he is the team's Tour leader. Also what happened to Wiggins' promise to ride for Froome at the Tour? Apparently he meant some time in the future, just not the immediate (2013) future.

Let's wait and see if Wiggins is just trying to sell the giro or if he means what he says. I dint think he will challenge froome at the tour. If he did it would be hypocrisy on an unprescedented scale in the history of mankind.

 

[airstream]

Wiggins says it right. Such a team should press all flesh both physically and mentally. It has zero difference to Contador alleged Giro-Tour 13 double.

 

[martinvickers]

Let's wait and see if Wiggins is just trying to sell the giro or if he means what he says. I dint think he will challenge froome at the tour. If he did it would be hypocrisy on an unprescedented scale in the history of mankind.

What worse, than Hitler doing the first on Stalin?