Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[Netserk]

Froome did get his share of the 2012 prize money... It was Wiggo's bonus (NOT prize money) that wasn't shared with Froome AFAIK.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Froome did get his share of the 2012 prize money... It was Wiggo's bonus (NOT prize money) that wasn't shared with Froome AFAIK.

Usually the winner wins something (~400k in 2012), and splits that between the team members - ie the prize money for coming first.

Winning the Tour netts you fat contracts and endorsements, vs the little guys who are on 30k and get nothing after slaving away for you for 3 weeks.

So 400k/8 = 50k each. A nice bonus for a job well done.

That's my understanding at any rate.

 

[Netserk]

Yes and Froome got his part of the prize money as teammates usually do. It was only some contractual bonus to Wiggo that he didn't share with Froome (which is totally fair. I also don't think Lance shared his SCA money either). AFAIK.

 

[Fzotrlool]

I don't 'hate' Chris Froome. He's a sports personality in a sport I follow. Little more, little else. I comment on here occasionally as following the soap opera that is Sky Pro Cycling has become light entertainment.

Whilst a month ago I would have said Froome is inoffensive, I dislike the character that is emerging through revealing passages of his book as some of the other events in the Froome/Wiggins backstory take on a different light. Isn't it normal that new revelations allow us to reanalyse our perception of previous events?

Whilst I cannot, and don't have the time to be as prolific a contributor to these forums as yourself, Dear Wiggo, I wish to concisely summarise that I don't 'hate' Froome; I find Cound to be manipulative and obnoxious, and therefore lose no sleep over them facing some heat.

As to my question, it is something I've been curious about for a long time and I have not found any reference to. I'm genuinely asking, and curious if there is any precedent. I'm 'sorry' you got sand in your vagina.

Good observations. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yes and Froome got his part of the prize money as teammates usually do. It was only some contractual bonus to Wiggo that he didn't share with Froome (which is totally fair. I also don't think Lance shared his SCA money either). AFAIK.

Thanks! I clearly got it completely wrong.

If Wiggo said beforehand he would share it and then did not, that would be cause for valid concern, but otherwise, yes, I agree it's a bit weird.

 

[RownhamHill]

Yes and Froome got his part of the prize money as teammates usually do. It was only some contractual bonus to Wiggo that he didn't share with Froome (which is totally fair. I also don't think Lance shared his SCA money either). AFAIK.

That's my understanding too, but I think the added detail - and what led to so much bad blood - was the Wiggo did share the extra bonus with the rest of the team. I think Porte mentioned to Froome that Wiggo had given him some more cash that Froome hadn't got.

Which to be fair is a bit pikey on Wiggo's behalf, if maybe fair enough based on Froome's conduct at the actual race.

Whatever the wrongs and rights, it makes great soap opera.

 

[Mishrak]

If I'm the leader of the Tour and my teammate who's supposed to help me, attacks me instead, he better answer some friggin questions exactly how I want to hear them or he's not getting a dime from me.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I don't 'hate' Chris Froome. He's a sports personality in a sport I follow. Little more, little else. I comment on here occasionally as following the soap opera that is Sky Pro Cycling has become light entertainment.

Whilst a month ago I would have said Froome is inoffensive, I dislike the character that is emerging through revealing passages of his book as some of the other events in the Froome/Wiggins backstory take on a different light. Isn't it normal that new revelations allow us to reanalyse our perception of previous events?

Whilst I cannot, and don't have the time to be as prolific a contributor to these forums as yourself, Dear Wiggo, I wish to concisely summarise that I don't 'hate' Froome; I find Cound to be manipulative and obnoxious, and therefore lose no sleep over them facing some heat.



As to my question, it is something I've been curious about for a long time and I have not found any reference to. I'm genuinely asking, and curious if there is any precedent. I'm 'sorry' you let the little things bother you.

good post
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[The Hitch]

you guys need to lighten up and head over to BotRadar and read their reaction to the Impey positive. Its much better than I expected.

If the people there want to obsess over the clinic all the time, let them. Why reciprocate. If I want to know what people say on some other forum I'll go to that other forum.

If you don't like what they post, stand like a man and go challenge them there. Why bring all that **** into this forum? If they think of some arguments and find a way to post here without getting banned, then I'll read what they have to say.

 

[JimmyFingers]

That's my understanding too, but I think the added detail - and what led to so much bad blood - was the Wiggo did share the extra bonus with the rest of the team. I think Porte mentioned to Froome that Wiggo had given him some more cash that Froome hadn't got.

Which to be fair is a bit pikey on Wiggo's behalf, if maybe fair enough based on Froome's conduct at the actual race.

Whatever the wrongs and rights, it makes great soap opera.

Did Froome get a bonus for second?

Wiggins bein slow to pay probably had everything to do with the attack while he was in yellow and the fact Froome effectively emerged as the 'strongest' rider on Team Sky and took the leadership role away from him, something which he had earnt on performance while apart from the 2011 Vuelta Froome had done sweet FA up until that point. His numbers in training presumably meant the result-driven Brailsford to back Froome over the erratic Wiggins and had he concomitant effect of pushing Wiggins behind even Porte in the peckin order by dint of his loyalty to Froome.

So now Porte gets a TdF berth despite a non-season up until now, and uncertain form unless his training numbers are exceptional. Suisse told us nothing more. Froome in essence hijacked Wiggins' standing at Sky, despite the team oweing a lot to him from their inception up until their TdF win in 2012. Most of the reaction from British fans is it smacks of ingratitude from Wiggins, in contrast to the myth of Froome dragging him around France, when it was much more of a team effect, and most of that from Rogers.

 

[BYOP88]

Did Froome get a bonus for second?

Wiggins bein slow to pay probably had everything to do with the attack while he was in yellow and the fact Froome effectively emerged as the 'strongest' rider on Team Sky and took the leadership role away from him, something which he had earnt on performance while apart from the 2011 Vuelta Froome had done sweet FA up until that point. His numbers in training presumably meant the result-driven Brailsford to back Froome over the erratic Wiggins and had he concomitant effect of pushing Wiggins behind even Porte in the peckin order by dint of his loyalty to Froome.

So now Porte gets a TdF berth despite a non-season up until now, and uncertain form unless his training numbers are exceptional. Suisse told us nothing more. Froome in essence hijacked Wiggins' standing at Sky, despite the team oweing a lot to him from their inception up until their TdF win in 2012. Most of the reaction from British fans is it smacks of ingratitude from Wiggins, in contrast to the myth of Froome dragging him around France, when it was much more of a team effect, and most of that from Rogers.

Jimmy as a Sky fan(not flaming you in this post)

Does it annoy you, that Porte has done nothing and makes the team and Wiggins who's had a decent season gets left at home. What do Sky fans think about that, is there a split some upset that Wiggins didn't make it and others who don't mind either way?

 

[SeriousSam]

Dunno what some Sky fans are upset about. They should rejoice, for their team, by sheer luck, happened to pick up the most talented and naturally gifted Grand Tour rider of all time! It was paramount to move the only modestly capable Wiggins out of the way as soon as possible once it became apparent he doesn't get on with Froome. Is Froome not British enough or something?

Wiggins ought to be satisfied with his carefully manufactured Tour victory.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Jimmy as a Sky fan(not flaming you in this post)

Does it annoy you, that Porte has done nothing and makes the team and Wiggins who's had a decent season gets left at home. What do Sky fans think about that, is there a split some upset that Wiggins didn't make it and others who don't mind either way?

What upsets me the most about Sky is that they have morphed from a quasi-national works team that was supposed to support and nurture the talent emerging from the BC Academy to being international and entirely results driven. Watching the British Road Race Championship and watching it animated by four British Sky riders none of whom are being taken to the Tour was telling quite frankly. Sky sent five British riders to three Grand Tours, so far they have sent 3, and shut out some strong talent in the process.

And Porte has managed to shut out even more established talent. An Australian rider who's best position in a GT is 7th chosen over a proven GT podium finisher. Brailsford talked about being picked on results, but Porte hasn't been picked on results, he hasn't had any of note this year.

Not just Wiggins mind. Kennaugh alluded to the same in his post-champs interview, and he was the rider earmarked by Brailsford as his GT winner. So the championship hoops stay at home, and riders like the Yates brothers see better opportunities available at other teams. Teams like Orica who seem to be sticking to their policy of developing home-grown talent. Five Aussie riders going to the Tour in their roster.

But I'm not a Sky fan, I a fan of the riders that they employ, so I won't be cheering on Froome. I'm hoping he'll lose a chunk of time on stage five, and I'm hoping good British talent like Kennaugh and Wiggins move to other teams. Not impressed with Sky or Froome in the slightest, for various reasons

 

[BYOP88]

What upsets me the most about Sky is that they have morphed from a quasi-national works team that was supposed to support and nurture the talent emerging from the BC Academy to being international and entirely results driven. Watching the British Road Race Championship and watching it animated by four British Sky riders none of whom are being taken to the Tour was telling quite frankly. Sky sent five British riders to three Grand Tours, so far they have sent 3, and shut out some strong talent in the process.

And Porte has managed to shut out even more established talent. An Australian rider who's best position in a GT is 7th chosen over a proven GT podium finisher. Brailsford talked about being picked on results, but Porte hasn't been picked on results, he hasn't had any of note this year.

Not just Wiggins mind. Kennaugh alluded to the same in his post-champs interview, and he was the rider earmarked by Brailsford as his GT winner. So the championship hoops stay at home, and riders like the Yates brothers see better opportunities available at other teams. Teams like Orica who seem to be sticking to their policy of developing home-grown talent. Five Aussie riders going to the Tour in their roster.

But I'm not a Sky fan, I a fan of the riders that they employ, so I won't be cheering on Froome. I'm hoping he'll lose a chunk of time on stage five, and I'm hoping good British talent like Kennaugh and Wiggins move to other teams. Not impressed with Sky or Froome in the slightest, for various reasons

Thanks for taking the time to reply Jimmy. No offense meant by calling you a Sky fan.

 

[Mishrak]

And Porte has managed to shut out even more established talent. An Australian rider who's best position in a GT is 7th chosen over a proven GT podium finisher. Brailsford talked about being picked on results, but Porte hasn't been picked on results, he hasn't had any of note this year.

Richie Porte reminds me of George Hincapie (in more ways than one, but for the sake of this thread) in the sense that he's picked because he's unbelievably strong in the mountains and unwavering in his loyalty to Chris Vroom. Hincapie never had any results, but there was never any doubt he'd be on that team.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Hincapie always had good early season results

 

[DirtyWorks]

What upsets me the most about Sky is that they have morphed from a quasi-national works team that was supposed to support and nurture the talent emerging from the BC Academy to being international and entirely results driven.

Hmm. Yes, well, no money to be made developing talent. ASO has done very well with the results driven org. TdF stages, high ranking stage race in Yorkshire. The UCI was nicely rewarded for their viewing numbers after the Olympics.

I cannot imagine both the UCI and ASO to be happy Brad isn't riding their premier event.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Hmm. Yes, well, no money to be made developing talent. ASO has done very well with the results driven org. TdF stages, high ranking stage race in Yorkshire. The UCI was nicely rewarded for their viewing numbers after the Olympics.

And the thing he British press isn't talking about is the sheer lack of British talent starting in Yorkshire. I'd say the British high point was the 2011 Worlds. I watched it again recently and the team was powerful and controlled the entire peloton for the majority of the race. Wiggins showed what a powerful rider he can be that day, holding back the entire peloton for a lap and a half. Yet from that high point we seemed to have regressed, and Sky/Brailsford has invested everything in Froome and his core of riders. So they are not advancing riders like Kennaugh, and they are wasting talents like Wiggins, all sacrificed to the altar of Froome and continued TdF wins. I think they are backing the wrong horse: Froome is odd, his girlfriend is odd, his development is odd. Like a lot of British fans I'm starting to see a different side to him, a side we neither like or trust.

 

[armchairclimber]

What upsets me the most about Sky is that they have morphed from a quasi-national works team that was supposed to support and nurture the talent emerging from the BC Academy to being international and entirely results driven. Watching the British Road Race Championship and watching it animated by four British Sky riders none of whom are being taken to the Tour was telling quite frankly. Sky sent five British riders to three Grand Tours, so far they have sent 3, and shut out some strong talent in the process.

And Porte has managed to shut out even more established talent. An Australian rider who's best position in a GT is 7th chosen over a proven GT podium finisher. Brailsford talked about being picked on results, but Porte hasn't been picked on results, he hasn't had any of note this year.

Not just Wiggins mind. Kennaugh alluded to the same in his post-champs interview, and he was the rider earmarked by Brailsford as his GT winner. So the championship hoops stay at home, and riders like the Yates brothers see better opportunities available at other teams. Teams like Orica who seem to be sticking to their policy of developing home-grown talent. Five Aussie riders going to the Tour in their roster.

But I'm not a Sky fan, I a fan of the riders that they employ, so I won't be cheering on Froome. I'm hoping he'll lose a chunk of time on stage five, and I'm hoping good British talent like Kennaugh and Wiggins move to other teams. Not impressed with Sky or Froome in the slightest, for various reasons

Similar feelings, though I have probably had a more jaundiced view of SKY in the past. In a way, this is all good. If it means that young British talents get snapped up by, and are developed by, other teams....as with the Yates boys at OGE, then fine.

 

[TheSpud]

Thanks for taking the time to reply Jimmy. No offense meant by calling you a Sky fan.

Why is it an offense to call him a Sky fan - people on here are free to support who they like.

 

[Benotti69]

ASO might show their upset at Wiggins not riding the British stages of TDF at the least........Sky might need to grow eyes in the back of their heads....

 

[mrhender]

Why is it an offense to call him a Sky fan - people on here are free to support who they like.

Indeed they are.. But do some reading and you will understand.

 

[Journey Man]

What upsets me the most about Sky is that they have morphed from a quasi-national works team that was supposed to support and nurture the talent emerging from the BC Academy to being international and entirely results driven. Watching the British Road Race Championship and watching it animated by four British Sky riders none of whom are being taken to the Tour was telling quite frankly. Sky sent five British riders to three Grand Tours, so far they have sent 3, and shut out some strong talent in the process.

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Not just Wiggins mind. Kennaugh alluded to the same in his post-champs interview, and he was the rider earmarked by Brailsford as his GT winner. So the championship hoops stay at home, and riders like the Yates brothers see better opportunities available at other teams. Teams like Orica who seem to be sticking to their policy of developing home-grown talent. Five Aussie riders going to the Tour in their roster.

Jimmy - you very nicely articulated a lot of the sentiments I have towards Sky's evolution over the recent years. Good post.

Whether Wiggins should have a spot or not, I see merits in both sides of that argument. I've warmed to Wiggins mainly because it is obviously important to him to broaden his palmarès across the spectrum of races on the calendar, to completely experience the sport he very obviously loves. Whilst that bears little relevance to his suitability to be included, as a fan I would have liked to have seen him in the Tour this year.

I can't help but feel that Froome has intensified the pressure on his shoulders this year with such a poorly managed public image. In my mind he needs to put Cound in the background and seek a more accomplished manager. The Kimmage interview really cemented that opinion.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

One thing's for certain: Froome's personality has turned former Froome defenders into Froome opponents, and made me actually feel sorry for Wigans...I mean, when you out-d0uche Wigans, you've really accomplished something, and Mr. Cound, you have certainly won the yellow jersey for D0uchebagginess.

I mean, think about it, me, the hog, JimmyFingers, and BroDeal all agree...you know stuff is ****ed-up if we're all towing the same line.

 

[RownhamHill]

One thing's for certain: Froome's personality has turned former Froome defenders into Froome opponents, and made me actually feel sorry for Wigans...I mean, when you out-d0uche Wigans, you've really accomplished something, and Mr. Cound, you have certainly won the yellow jersey for D0uchebagginess.

I mean, think about it, me, the hog, JimmyFingers, and BroDeal all agree...you know stuff is ****ed-up if we're all towing the same line.

Very much this.