Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[thehog]

Funny how not that long ago most were aghast that Froome did not get his share, despite coming second. The general consensus was he helped Wiggins and was reined in himself.

Froome's book comes out and a lot of those same people jump on the "I hate Froome" bandwagon and all of a sudden he's the devil and no wonder he didn't get his prize money yada yada.

No, the second placed rider did not split his prize money and never has. The guy who won is getting millions from everywhere else. Second place not so much.

The better question is: did Froome split his prize money equally in 2013 - no complaints yet, right?

You still missed the point & got all emotional.

There are no rules to this. Just convention.

If Wiggins gave more money to the remaining 7 on the basis that Froome gets his share (and maybe more) from ASO then it's not such a bad gesture.

If Froome had deliberately raised the issue publicly so he could obtain his 2nd place prize pool plus the 8th share taken from the remaining 7 then he is a toad. Because he's taking from his teammates not Wiggins.

Regardless Froome should have gone to Brailsford or at the very least spoke to Wiggins.

But no he went to Walsh. There was no one here calling out a Wiggins for withholding the money. It was a line ball to be honest. But the new information contained in Froome's book shows why Wiggins potentially rewarded his teammates with more money rather than Froome (who had already got a nice pot of cash).

 

[TailWindHome]

Meaning did Wiggins take his prize pool & share down the line divided by 7 and not 8. Or did Wiggins pocket the 8th portion?

The prize money wasn't the issue as I understand it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You still missed the point & got all emotional.

Ah yes playing the personal card. Completely wrong though. I am shaking my head at the flippy floppy irony of some posters, but no, not getting emotional.

There are no rules to this. Just convention.

If Wiggins gave more money to the remaining 7 on the basis that Froome gets his share (and maybe more) from ASO then it's not such a bad gesture.

Wow. That pool of speculation you're swimming in looks deep.

 

[thehog]

Ah yes playing the personal card. Completely wrong though. I am shaking my head at the flippy floppy irony of some posters, but no, not getting emotional.


Wow. That pool of speculation you're swimming in looks deep.

Look forward to you citing the rules which state the 1st place winner must distribute his prize money with his team.....

It's convention and discretionary. But makes good senses to do it. But it's not a rule, law or anything other than tradition.

Sorry.

 

[the sceptic]

you guys need to lighten up and head over to BotRadar and read their reaction to the Impey positive. Its much better than I expected.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Look forward to you citing the rules which state the 1st place winner must distribute his prize money with his team.....

It's convention and discretionary. But makes god senses to do it. But it's not a rule, law or anything other than tradition.

Sorry.

It was sarcasm. Sorry you've never seen the Gene Wilder meme before, it's a good one.

 

[sittingbison]

move along gents

cheers
bison

 

[BYOP88]

you guys need to lighten up and head over to BotRadar and read their reaction to the Impey positive. Its much better than I expected.

Good to see argyllflyer posting there.

argyllflyer wrote:
Already alluded to in the Asylum!

 

[TailWindHome]

you guys need to lighten up and head over to BotRadar and read their reaction to the Impey positive. Its much better than I expected.

What were you expecting?

 

[thehog]

you guys need to lighten up and head over to BotRadar and read their reaction to the Impey positive. Its much better than I expected.

Someone over there saying it was probably from a plant. Maybe he got too close to it and rubbed off on his skin. Can't possibly be deliberate. Just like Rogers & JTL.

I like BotRadar. They are very cute. Kimmage is manic apparently. Obsessed by doping stories.

 

[Granville57]

Someone over there saying it was probably from a plant.

Probably from this plant:

 

[the sceptic]

Someone over there saying it was probably from a plant. Maybe he got too close to it and rubbed off on his skin. Can't possibly be deliberate. Just like Rogers & JTL.

I like BotRadar. They are very cute. Kimmage is manic apparently. Obsessed by doping stories.

If an english speaking rider gets busted for doping its got to be a mistake. It just has to.

How can you argue with logic like this?

If the chances of getting caught are miniscule, then doesn't that increase the likelihood that a positive test is due to inadvertent ingestion?

Here's the maths bit:

Say in a race there are 100 riders who have been doping with product X and one person who has ingested it in contaminated supplements.

If the chances of a doper being caught by testing is 1% (because he knows how to evade testing) and the chances of the accidental doper is 50% (because he doesn't know he has it in him and takes no precautions), then on average 1 doper and 0.5 innocents will be caught from that field. Therefore, there is a 33% chance that someone who test postitive is innocent.

However, if the chances of the dopers being caught raises to 20% then on average 20 dopers will be caught for that 0.5 innocent. Lowering the chances of innocence to 2.5%

Therefore, your arguement that the tests are rubbish actually enforces the idea that he may be innocent. The worse the testing, the more chance that the positive testee is innocent.

 

[del1962]

If an english speaking rider gets busted for doping its got to be a mistake. It just has to.

How can you argue with logic like this?

Off topic for thread but your casual racism is noted

 

[Fzotrlool]

Good to see argyllflyer posting there.

argyllflyer wrote:
Already alluded to in the Asylum!

Based on attitude, phrases, aggression and grammar you would think that the bots were the same person. The same reactionary, hypersensitive reaction to even the smallest amount of criticism.

Argyllflyer, boar and pack fodder is definitely the same person. But Del1962 is 100% genuine.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If an english speaking rider gets busted for doping its got to be a mistake. It just has to.

How can you argue with logic like this?

You can argue like this:

People in SA know you get tested at Nationals. People who win TTs and RRs at Nationals in SA are guaranteed to get tested.

 

[TailWindHome]

Off topic for thread but your casual racism is noted

What did he say which was racist?

 

[del1962]

Based on attitude, phrases, aggression and grammar you would think that the bots were the same person. The same reactionary, hypersensitive reaction to even the smallest amount of criticism.

Argyllflyer, boar and pack fodder is definitely the same person.

Yawn .......... typical clinicbot response, lets just say they are all the same person

 

[del1962]

What did he say which was racist?

Casual racism, implying that something is only an anglo response, whereas we have seen similar responses from Ulissi and Kreuziger. Typicalm of someone who is a casual racist.

 

[Fzotrlool]

Off topic for thread but your casual racism is noted

You can be racist against Anglo people?

 

[Hawkwood]

You can be racist against Anglo people?

Yes of course!

 

[the sceptic]

Casual racism, implying that something is only an anglo response, whereas we have seen similar responses from Ulissi and Kreuziger. Typicalm of someone who is a casual racist.

This post is typical of someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

You can be racist against Anglo people?

Isoceles Anglos are well-balanced.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Some posters here do have a bizarre idea of some sort of anglo-alliance, which includes the Britis, other Northern European types like ze Germans (witness the racism cries directed at Kittel for calling out Sayer, the Americans, presumably Aussies and now the Sarfers, all of whom collude with the UCI to crap all over the poor Southern Europeans who only dope because they have none of the advantages of their Northern Counterparts.

Its weird.

 

[Berzin]

Stay on-topic and move away from any racism allegations.

 

[Journey Man]

Probably not, and it's a moot question regardless. I am sorry you hate Chris Froome but in this instance at least, his grievance was warranted, but he didn't really air it until much later.

I don't 'hate' Chris Froome. He's a sports personality in a sport I follow. Little more, little else. I comment on here occasionally as following the soap opera that is Sky Pro Cycling has become light entertainment.

Whilst a month ago I would have said Froome is inoffensive, I dislike the character that is emerging through revealing passages of his book as some of the other events in the Froome/Wiggins backstory take on a different light. Isn't it normal that new revelations allow us to reanalyse our perception of previous events?

Whilst I cannot, and don't have the time to be as prolific a contributor to these forums as yourself, Dear Wiggo, I wish to concisely summarise that I don't 'hate' Froome; I find Cound to be manipulative and obnoxious, and therefore lose no sleep over them facing some heat.

As to my question, it is something I've been curious about for a long time and I have not found any reference to. I'm genuinely asking, and curious if there is any precedent. I'm 'sorry' you let the little things bother you.