Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[Parker]

Bassons is smart.

He certainly is. He's realised that he can say whatever he likes and no-one in the media will challenge him - handy if you have a book to sell.

That thing about the passport, you highlighted. No-one has said it's perfect, but it's better to have it than not.

 

[The Hitch]

It's a fair point though. It's hardly good for the credibility of the sport if a proven doper wins the Tour. The July fans won't be impressed.

It is a fair point. Its the idea that Froome is standing on the side of cycling's credibility (and the refference to Indurain as some sort of predecessor ) that is stupid.

But a doper winning could for once do the sport some good. Cycling has never had a "doper" win its main event. Its had plenty of dopers caught after they won, but a TDF edition loses 90% of its relevance once it is over.

Which makes it so easy for cycling to always, year after year, decade after decade, dismiss doping as something that happens in the past.

Having a "doper" win, may finally force cycling to accept the reality that problems aren't solved by closing the blinds and pretend they aren't happening.

 

[The Hitch]

That thing about the passport, you highlighted. No-one has said it's perfect, but it's better to have it than not.

No one has said it's not worth having either

 

[Benotti69]

He certainly is. He's realised that he can say whatever he likes and no-one in the media will challenge him - handy if you have a book to sell.

You are not a fan of clean cycling to take such a view of Bassons.

When Bassons was talking about 2 speeds in 1999 and it not being a Tour of Redemption no one in the media, bar Walsh stuck up for Bassons, where were the media then!

Bassons credibility is above question that has been proven. There are not many working in media who have the same level of credibility.

Dont like it when someone like Bassons compares Sky to USPS do you...

That thing about the passport, you highlighted. No-one has said it's perfect, but it's better to have it than not.

It was never meant to stop anti doping, it was meant to control it and this is what it does.

UCI will never make anti doping independent, they will lose too much power and control over the sport

 

[Nathan12]

I wonder if Froome is stupid enough to actually believe himself to be clean.

I have often wondered this.

 

[Parker]

No one has said it's not worth having either

I don't think anyone has claimed that the passport has made doping impossible either - just that it restricts it a lot

But Bassons is criticising it. If he has a better system, maybe he should let people know.

 

[Benotti69]

It is a fair point. Its the idea that Froome is standing on the side of cycling's credibility (and the refference to Indurain as some sort of predecessor ) that is stupid.

But a doper winning could for once do the sport some good. Cycling has never had a "doper" win its main event. Its had plenty of dopers caught after they won, but a TDF edition loses 90% of its relevance once it is over.

Which makes it so easy for cycling to always, year after year, decade after decade, dismiss doping as something that happens in the past.

Having a "doper" win, may finally force cycling to accept the reality that problems aren't solved by closing the blinds and pretend they aren't happening.

Not going to happen. The circus is too big. Even CN cant help itself but feed the monstrosity that the TdF has become with live feeds about presentations FFS.

 

[Parker]

You are not a fan of clean cycling to take such a view of Bassons.

So you think Bassons can say anything he likes unchallenged do you? Just because Armstrong was rude to him 15 years ago.

 

[noddy69]

I don't think anyone has claimed that the passport has made doping impossible either - just that it restricts it a lot

But Bassons is criticising it. If he has a better system, maybe he should let people know.

So criticise the man who wants clean cycling until he comes up with a better idea......bravo sir, the Armstrong tactic....although you are really in the wrong Forum to try that one Really its a bit dated.

 

[Benotti69]

So you think Bassons can say anything he likes unchallenged do you? Just because Armstrong was rude to him 15 years ago.

So criticise the man who wants clean cycling until he comes up with a better idea......bravo sir, the Armstrong tactic....although you are really in the wrong Forum to try that one Really its a bit dated.

Well said N69

So Bassons has done nothing apart from receive bullying from Armstrong!

Spot the sky troll............

 

[Fzotrlool]

Another of Martin "micro ****" McEvoy's suckpuppets?

 

[del1962]

Another of Martin "micro ****" McEvoy's suckpuppets?

Another accusation of sockpuppetry for someone who doesnt agree with you

If you had been around a while you would find that Parker has been posting since 2011

 

[Parker]

So criticise the man who wants clean cycling until he comes up with a better idea......bravo sir, the Armstrong tactic....although you are really in the wrong Forum to try that one Really its a bit dated.

OK. So what should replace the bio passport? If you don't have a better option, discrediting it is just cheap attention seeking. His assessment is equivalent to saying that you can fool the police so we shouldn't have the police.

But it's Bassons, the great crusader who said nothing about doping while at Festina, barely did it when was paid to by Le Parisien - but somehow upset Armstrong and has milked it for ever drop for 15 years.

You want journalists to ask questions and not take answers at face value - why should this not apply to Bassons - a man clinging to his fame.

 

[the sceptic]

Well said N69

So Bassons has done nothing apart from receive bullying from Armstrong!

Spot the sky troll............

you cant blame him for that. Disliking people that are sceptical of sky is programmed into the bot software. It happens instinctively.

 

[Parker]

Another of Martin "micro ****" McEvoy's suckpuppets?

Are you referring to me?

How about this - if I'm not Martin, how about serve a ban. Deal? Let's see if you have the balls to back up your accusations.

 

[del1962]

Well said N69

So Bassons has done nothing apart from receive bullying from Armstrong!

Spot the sky troll............

So you will agree with everything David Walsh says too.

Also on another topic, didn't Paul Kimmage do an article in the Mail which has been linked to, criticising Sky, not that I am a fan of the mail, but is is amazing how fickle many in the clinic are

 

[Fzotrlool]

Another accusation of sockpuppetry for someone who doesnt agree with you

If you had been around a while you would find that Parker has been posting since 2011

I was right about PackFodder, the "NYC, duh"-guy and frooome. Why would this guy be any different? Same style of writing.

 

[Parker]

If you had been around a while you would find that Parker has been posting since 2011

And for full disclosure, before that I had a different profile which I lost due to a changing e-mail addresses (and lost password). No sock puppetry.

 

[del1962]

I was right about PackFodder, the "NYC, duh"-guy and frooome. Why would this guy be any different? Same style of writing.

Because he has been around here for a while, much longer than you, unless you are a sockpuppet yourself.

 

[the sceptic]

I was right about PackFodder, the "NYC, duh"-guy and frooome. Why would this guy be any different? Same style of writing.

All bots are the same. Just ignore him.

 

[Parker]

I was right about PackFodder, the "NYC, duh"-guy and frooome. Why would this guy be any different? Same style of writing.

Want a bet on it? Put your money where your mouth is. If I'm one of those people agree to a one month ban.

If mods had any decency they would ban false accusations. It's like footballers waving cards.

 

[Parker]

I was right about PackFodder, the "NYC, duh"-guy and frooome. Why would this guy be any different? Same style of writing.

Want a bet on it? Put your money where your mouth is. If I'm one of those people and I'm not, agree to a one month ban.

If mods had any decency they would ban false accusations. It's like footballers waving cards.

 

[Benotti69]

So you will agree with everything David Walsh says too.

Bassons not only talks the talk but walks the walk. Walsh was right on Armstrong. Walsh has admitted it was personal.

But why change the subject from Bassons criticism of Sky?

Also on another topic, didn't Paul Kimmage do an article in the Mail which has been linked to, criticising Sky, not that I am a fan of the mail, but is is amazing how fickle many in the clinic are

Off topic.....but it is amazing how unbelievable the sky doping deniers are and their criticism of the clinic yet they return continously to a place the profess to intensely dislike...

 

[Fzotrlool]

Because he has been around here for a while, much longer than you, unless you are a sockpuppet yourself.

You have absolutely no sense of judgment.

I have seen no evidence to suggest that PackFodder was a sockpuppet of Martin

But you were wrong.

 

[Parker]

You have absolutely no sense of judgment.

So you think I'm a sockpuppet? Are you willing to bet on it? If you call me on it and you're wrong, then what? Banning for you I'd hope.