Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[thehog]

I am really sick of tailwind stories. Whenever dawg crushes people, there is always a hurricane aiding him while other riders don't seem to profit from these hurricanes.

Brailsford explains it:

Planned performance, Ventoux recce


Sir Dave Brailsford picked up the baton shortly afterwards.

“We planned that performance for quite some time,” he aid. “Chris has been out to Ventoux to recce the climb, thought very carefully about how to ride it, how to ride as a team. And when you see that performance unfolding in front of you exactly as had been planned for some time, and Chris rode so fantastically at the end to win the stage, it was quite an emotional thing to watch.

“And the first thing that crosses my mind, having jumped in the air and punched the air, is not: right, that’s my five minutes of joy gone, let’s get on to the doping questions. Which happens everyday.”

“You’re asking me, how can I prove to you that we are not doping? You’re all asking the same questions. We wrack our brains every day.”

 

[ray j willings]

I think what you have to take in to consideration when looking at Froome's times is that they are very fast and I remember him showing this sort potential when he came 84th in his grand tour debut and then 36th in the Giro and I remember him finishing over 2 minutes down to David Millar at the CW Games. The potential was there to see

 

[thehog]

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I am really sick of tailwind stories. Whenever dawg crushes people, there is always a hurricane aiding him while other riders don't seem to profit from these hurricanes.

Brailsford explains it:

Planned performance, Ventoux recce


Sir Dave Brailsford picked up the baton shortly afterwards.

“We planned that performance for quite some time,” he aid. “Chris has been out to Ventoux to recce the climb, thought very carefully about how to ride it, how to ride as a team. And when you see that performance unfolding in front of you exactly as had been planned for some time, and Chris rode so fantastically at the end to win the stage, it was quite an emotional thing to watch.

“And the first thing that crosses my mind, having jumped in the air and punched the air, is not: right, that’s my five minutes of joy gone, let’s get on to the doping questions. Which happens everyday.”

“You’re asking me, how can I prove to you that we are not doping? You’re all asking the same questions. We wrack our brains every day.”

Yes, we just wrack our brains all day

 

[yaco]

Gee if you are bumping a thread from 33 months ago with no new information it reeks of obsession.

 

[pastronef]

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Gee if you are bumping a thread from 33 months ago with no new information it reeks of obsession.

nah, there were too few sky-related thread on the 1st page, so he added one

 

[The Hitch]

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Gee if you are bumping a thread from 33 months ago with no new information it reeks of obsession.

Same if you make meta comments like this about every new post no?

 

[King Boonen]

Moderator comment:

Stop the sly (and not so sly) digs at each other please.

There was no need for this thread to be brought back up based on the post that did. We take a dim view of this kind of thing. Please only drag up old threads for something relevant.

 

[pastronef]

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Moderator comment:

Stop the sly (and not so sly) digs at each other please.

There was no need for this thread to be brought back up based on the post that did. We take a dim view of this kind of thing. Please only drag up old threads for something relevant.

thanks

 

[thehog]

From Dan Roan on Twitter, just released:

REVEALED: UKAD claimed its ‘jiffy-bag’ investigation had been “hindered” and may have even been “potentially compromised" by British Cycling’s failure to report doping allegations sooner in highly critical letter sent after UKAD halted its inquiry. Details below;

 

[Catwhoorg]

That wonderful attention to every little detail.

 

[Rollthedice]

From Dan Roan on Twitter, just released:

REVEALED: UKAD claimed its ‘jiffy-bag’ investigation had been “hindered” and may have even been “potentially compromised" by British Cycling’s failure to report doping allegations sooner in highly critical letter sent after UKAD halted its inquiry. Details below;

Unf*****belivable to think that these guys are still employed, knighted, dominating international cycling and generally walking around free.

This is so bad on so many levels that I won't bother to write about it, too much disgusting work. One thing though, if you want to load your men with tons of kenacort and testo obviously you don't want to keep any records. I suspect they were so dumb that they kept some and then they had to nuke all to get rid of them. And of course toss Geert Freeman's laptop in the Aegean Sea.

 

[meat puppet]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/cycling/42668551?

Says BC: "We continue to partner and support Ukad in the important work it conducts to keep sport clean(s)”.

 

[thehog]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/cycling/42668551?

Says BC: "We continue to partner and support Ukad in the important work it conducts to keep sport clean(s)”.

Translation: “F*** you, we’ll how we want and when we want but thank-you for the partnership”.

 

[tiredoldmaninthegym]

From Dan Roan on Twitter, just released:

REVEALED: UKAD claimed its ‘jiffy-bag’ investigation had been “hindered” and may have even been “potentially compromised" by British Cycling’s failure to report doping allegations sooner in highly critical letter sent after UKAD halted its inquiry. Details below;

Unf*****belivable to think that these guys are still employed, knighted, dominating international cycling and generally walking around free.

This is so bad on so many levels that I won't bother to write about it, too much disgusting work. One thing though, if you want to load your men with tons of kenacort and testo obviously you don't want to keep any records. I suspect they were so dumb that they kept some and then they had to nuke all to get rid of them. And of course toss Geert Freeman's laptop in the Aegean Sea.

UK Sport should have been fully aware of the situation regarding medical record-keeping at British Cycling as described by UKAD in the leaked letter, now in the public domain, since appropriate and evidence-based medical support was (and is) a requirement of funding. If BC has been treated just like any other NGB, UK Sport’s ‘head of performance’ and their team of ‘performance advisors’ will have evaluated this as part of their continual assessment and monitoring of British Cycling’s World Class Programme.

In the relevant assessment and monitoring document section dealing with sports medicine support, you are asked to provide evidence that:
“Appropriate documentation and processes are in place to maintain necessary privacy/confidentiality compliance”

In the section dealing with injury and illness you are asked to provide evidence that:
“Medical records are effectively managed and where necessary comply with IF requirements”

This is from the section dealing with anti-doping:

• "Athletes understand the principle of strict liability
• Athletes and staff receive regular training to ensure their knowledge of anti-doping procedures, including whereabouts, is up-to-date
• Knowledge of the risks associated with supplement use is universal
• There is a dominant belief in your WCP that its goals are achievable without infringing the world anti-doping code
• Staff are skilled at counselling vulnerable athletes and are able to spot high risk behaviour”

Of additional relevance to the ‘bullying culture’ now identified not only in cycling, but also in recent or on-going investigations within swimming, gymnastics, canoeing, equestrian, rowing, bobsled, etc., etc., there is an extensive section dealing with ‘The Mood in the Camp’. Here’s a key exemplar:
“Wherever your WCP operates (office, training venues, training camps, competitions) it creates a dynamic, support environment conducive to the pursuit of excellence”

And another:
“Issues and concerns are discussed in an open and supportive manner that also respects the need for confidentiality”

And these:
“Athletes and staff are asked their views of the WCP on a regular basis”
“You have a range of methods by which perceptions can be expressed: surveys, 360-feedback, appraisals, event de-briefs, open meetings, etc.”

Returning to where this post began and the issue of medical record keeping, UK Sport currently appears to reject FOI requests relating to the allocation of funding and the assessment and monitoring of a sport’s WCP. An investigative journalist might like to look into this, asking whether the apparent ‘medals at all costs’ approach taken by UK Sport includes being 'not sufficiently inquisitive', effectively turning a blind eye to medical practices and procedures that, in unscrupulous and unethical hands, would enable, facilitate and support doping. Whilst there is no suggestion or implication of wrong-doing, If you don’t keep records, and UK Sport has perhaps never questioned this, who really knows what’s going on?

 

[thehog]

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I expected Chris to top ten in the time trial, and be comfortably inside the top ten on the overall after today (which i said yesterday). My feeling was we would see Martin, Cancellara as the top two, then Wiggins, with Chris pushing Brad close but not beating him.

Chris's time trialling ability is underrated.

But, Chris's big problem has been maintaining that consistency and form over long periods, ie. more than a week. Hes been brads domestique for week 1, I think he will drop back now and Lofkvist will step up to be the support guy for Brad for Week 2. think its very likely that Froome has put in everything he could into week 1, with the plan of Lofkvist and Zandio being the domestiques for the latter stages of the race.

Man it’s funny reading this stuff from the 2011 Vuelta!

 

[thehog]

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remember as well, that Froome is riding to try and get himself a contract for next season. As it stands he does not have a team for 2012.

:lol:

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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remember as well, that Froome is riding to try and get himself a contract for next season. As it stands he does not have a team for 2012.

:lol:

And then he and Brailsford woke up one morning and decided "We might as well lose the fat".

John Swanson

 

[thehog]

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remember as well, that Froome is riding to try and get himself a contract for next season. As it stands he does not have a team for 2012.

:lol:

And then he and Brailsford woke up one morning and decided "We might as well lose the fat".

John Swanson

Then was thanked by UKAD for his cooperation

 

[Rollthedice]

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remember as well, that Froome is riding to try and get himself a contract for next season. As it stands he does not have a team for 2012.

:lol:

And then he and Brailsford woke up one morning and decided "We might as well lose the fat".

John Swanson

Then was thanked by UKAD for his cooperation

And Brian Cookson who was running the "chaotic" and "disorganized" BC shop at the time.

 

[thehog]

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remember as well, that Froome is riding to try and get himself a contract for next season. As it stands he does not have a team for 2012.

:lol:

And then he and Brailsford woke up one morning and decided "We might as well lose the fat".

John Swanson

Then was thanked by UKAD for his cooperation

And Brian Cookson who was running the "chaotic" and "disorganized" BC shop at the time.

With a million selfies in the process. Photo album night at the Cookson’s is a real hoot. Here’s one of the medical room at British Cycling

 

[veganrob]

The room is so messy we don't know which rider gets which dope. Well, just put anything in the jiffy bag and deliver it personally to Bradley. Or was it Froome? Oh hell, who cares.

 

[thehog]

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The room is so messy we don't know which rider gets which dope. Well, just put anything in the jiffy bag and deliver it personally to Bradley. Or was it Froome? Oh hell, who cares.

Amongst all that mess thankfully BC/Sky noted the accidentally delivered testosterone and sent it back to the vendor

 

[70kmph]

Just look under the T section

Triamcinolone
Tramadol
Testosterone*

 

[thehog]

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Just look under the T section

Triamcinolone
Tramadol
Testosterone*

The the letter T on the medical room keyboard was worn out. But then again, there was no computer

 

[macbindle]

There was a tablet, but it was taken by a thief in Thessaloniki