Libertine Seguros said:I don't think it would matter one iota whether Bartali doped or not; his heroics make any potential sporting fraud pale into insignificance.
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Libertine Seguros said:I don't think it would matter one iota whether Bartali doped or not; his heroics make any potential sporting fraud pale into insignificance.
fatsprintking said:Well I am going for Gastone Nencini in 1960, for no other reason than because he does not seem to get much credit for his win, given that the winner before was Bahamontes and after was Anquetil.
If he was not clean then I am going for 2 time winner in 1907/08 Lucien Petit-Breton. A fun little guy who could have made it big in the theatre if he had not have had an overwhelming passion for riding his bike...
Libertine Seguros said:I don't think it would matter one iota whether Bartali doped or not; his heroics make any potential sporting fraud pale into insignificance.
VeloFidelis said:Well... He did, of course. And no, it really doesn't matter.
I stood on the roads of France and Belgium to witness my first TDF stages and spring Classics in 1972. I have seen many since then, and I don't believe that I have ever seen a "clean" race. I don't believe that anyone posting on this site ever seen "clean" racing at the Pro level either. You can rail about the injustice and elimination of doping to your hearts content, but don't be fooled into thinking that you ever will.
Is it better to be a fan / realist? .... or a naive, self righteous, moralist? In forty years of watching, I have been both. Regardless... I am still a fan.
Walkman said:Could you provide some links please?
hiero2 said:Yes, you are right, but no, you are wrong. Yes, doping has been around ever since this whole thing started. When somebody found an advantage, or a perceived advantage, somebody took it. But, the dopage, pre-EPO and steroid era was a totally different animal. Totally. First, you really didn't affect your overall performance. You could impact a single race - but in a stage race like the tour? Nah. Over a period of years? Nah. Any drugs available before EPO and steroids had a negative downside to balance their benefit. EPO and steroid era drugs do not have much downside. They actually improve performance and physical capacity.
That makes them different. It ain't the same thing as 1964. Don't try and pretend it is.
iZnoGouD said:why do you think Evans wasn't clean? he has big talent i wouldn't be surprised if he was clean
iZnoGouD said:why do you think Evans wasn't clean? he has big talent i wouldn't be surprised if he was clean
the asian said:He should be. He was a devout catholic and the Character of the man seems to be a anti doper. Coppi certainly doped. He has even admitted it.
fatsprintking said:Well I am going for Gastone Nencini in 1960, for no other reason than because he does not seem to get much credit for his win, given that the winner before was Bahamontes and after was Anquetil.
If he was not clean then I am going for 2 time winner in 1907/08 Lucien Petit-Breton. A fun little guy who could have made it big in the theatre if he had not have had an overwhelming passion for riding his bike...
the asian said:He may be clean. But there is ample evidence to prove that he has worked with Dr Ferrari. He himself has said that he used Dr Ferrari to make training plans.
issoisso said:Thanks for the laugh, that was hilarious.
God knows being a devout catholic instantly means you're an honest person. Especially someone whose antics are so well documented as Bartali's
That was a dumb comment. But I do believe Bartali is clean.
LaFlorecita said:Unndy Schleck.
ManInFull said:How about the winner of one of the most infamous Tours ever, Óscar Pereiro, winner of the 2006 TdF?
Libertine Seguros said:The man who actually tested positive during that race but got grounds for a TUE on it?
Parrot23 said:Bugs Bunny, the last definitively clean winner. 100% sure.
I mean, we just have to use our eyes. Massive circumstantial evidence.
gatete said:As much as I would think this is funny, in a way your comment could be serious, someone was kind enough to add the Tom Simpson youtube death yesterday and I saw the whole hour of it, the doping talk in it by the riders is (in my humble oppinion) a bit worst than today's doping talk, surely we can go back and forth to say back in 67 no EPO, Cera, blood doping, that converts donkeys in racehorses...... true, but cheating is cheating, I was really amazed by the riders openness to just say, ohhh PEDs were just common back then. I guess what I'm trying to say is who the heck knows for sure when. I would love to say Lemond, but...... with absolute certainty....