So what's the new scandal?

[Moose McKnuckles]

Fantastic. So now the new fanboy defense is "if you bring Lance down, EPO use will INCREASE."

LOL.

 

[Polish]

Fantastic. So now the new fanboy defense is "if you bring Lance down, EPO use will INCREASE."

LOL.

Do you disagree with the FanBoy's reasons given for the EPO Increase?

Lots of people DO believe the Myth that "Doping Transforms you into a 7 Time TdF winner" don't they?

You do not feel there will be any "copycat" doping?


Do you feel Doping in Cycling will actually decrease?
Why?

ps....a failboat poster is not a intelligent rebuttal lol

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

ps....a failboat poster is not a intelligent rebuttal lol

You don't deserve anything more.

Copycat doping? WTF are you talking about? Cyclists have known about the effects of EPO for what, almost 2 decades. You think this is some sort of revelatory process? The only people to whom this is news is the casual fan.

Thinking that cracking down on doping will actually INCREASE doping is quite possibly one of the dumbest things posted on here. So, if we stop cracking down on doping that will actually lessen doping? If Lance gets away with what every cyclist knows he did, that will actually help the fight against doping on your bizzaro world?

True idiocy. Congrats. You fanboys are stumbling over each other for the sole remaining Lance dingleberries. Get while the getting's still good.

 

[theswordsman]

The Ignore List is useless again due to quotes in replies to fantasy writers, and the thread has been successfully derailed.

 

[Polish]

Thinking that cracking down on doping will actually INCREASE doping is quite possibly one of the dumbest things posted on here..

I have heard plenty of dumber things to be honest.

So are you saying doping will decrease? Why?

Did Doping decrease after France cracked down and passed its first anti-doping law in November 1964?

Did Doping decrease after France cracked down began testing at the Tour de France in 1966?

Did Doping decrease after Eddy was busted for doping?

Did Doping decrease after Festina? Puerto?

I would argue that doping actually INCREASED after all those crackdowns.
Again, why do you think it will decrease?

 

[Cal_Joe]

The Ignore List is useless again due to quotes in replies to fantasy writers, and the thread has been successfully derailed.

Derailed implies there was a train on the tracks and it got shoved off. I am having a hard time identifying a train or the tracks in this thread.

 

[Ferminal]

and should continue to be as long as he is on a crusade to bring everyone better than him down!

You must really like Axel Merckx... Hoping he gets a promotion to the ProTour team?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Frankly, I cannot remember an investigation where a 7-time TdF champion was investigated by the federal government in his country. In addition, I can't remember a case where an investigation into UCI bribery was involved. Anyone?

I think Lance is such a pivotal figure in doping that bringing him down would finally send a message to riders. If McQuaid also goes down, that would be even better.

Is there a chance that doping will continue? Sure. Will doping increase if Lance and others go down? I think that's actually unlikely. As for the Festina affair, I'd argue that has led to cleaner cycling in France. Well, at least during the times of the year when US Postal wasn't training there.

 

[buckwheat]

I'd keep my mouth shut to the investigators, keep it open to the press, ride in the tour, and wait and see what nowinsky comes up with.

Yeah, but he already said he was going to cooperate with Novitsky. Why wouldn't he, he's the most tested athlete in the world and he's clean.

Reversing field and pleading the 5th will look great for his sponsors!


I guess you haven't noticed but two of the major US press outlets have become quite hostile, ie, they don't believe his bs and aren't afraid to ask him real questions point blank. So does he go over to France and boycott the tabloid French media? He can't talk to the Spanish media, and he had a media boycott during the Giro so the Italians are out.. The Germans don't even cover the fraud anymore and Kimmage and Walsh work for the Sunday Times so the Brits are out too.

Maybe he'll take Palins advice and not talk to the gotcha media.

He can twitter himself so he avoids the media filter.

Maybe the French will charge him with 7 counts of sporting fraud with the sentences to run consecutively.

Maybe he'll talk to Borat!

 

[eleven]

If you follow the Aussie link, the "announcement" will be by SI on their online site, not the US Gov.

Regardless, it's still not a "new" scandal...

SI is going to announce a Federal Investigation and require Armstrong to return to the US?

 

[kurtinsc]

Doping and cheating will undoubtedly INCREASE.

Lots of people will copy cat Lance.
"If Lance can cheat, so can I" as a justification.
"Doping will win ya 7 TdF's? Sign me up" numbskulls.

If Doping in Pro Sports ever becomes "legalized", the Lance Bust might just end up being viewed as the start of the process. Lance as a current day "Norma Rae" for the bread and water Grand Tour Workers of the World.

Expect to see/hear some articles/discussions about "why don't we just legalize sports doping" after Lance gets brought down....maybe even before he gets brought down...

This is silly.

Doping won't decrease because of Lance getting busted... well it won't outside the US unless a lot of OTHER riders go down as well. Maybe if Lance and other Floyd targets, Contador, Valverde and other Puerto targets and all those connected with Ferrari get busted... THEN we'll see an actual slacking in doping.

But an increase because of it... that's not likely.

 

[Polish]

HeeHaw

This is silly.

Doping won't decrease because of Lance getting busted... well it won't outside the US unless a lot of OTHER riders go down as well. Maybe if Lance and other Floyd targets, Contador, Valverde and other Puerto targets and all those connected with Ferrari get busted... THEN we'll see an actual slacking in doping.

But an increase because of it... that's not likely.

If Contador and Valverde are knocked out of Big Paycheck Contention -opening the door for a New Champ...that will SLACKEN the amount of doping?

And this will happen after Lance is busted and it is finally PROVEN that doping will transform a donkey rider into a 7 time TdF winner? Hard work, watching your diet, sleeping in a tent, etc etc etc becomes just a myth.

The donkeys will be tripping over themselves getting in line to dope lol.

Sure, lots of donkeys will be afraid to dope. WaaWaa. Afraid.
But that will be even better for the donkeys who are not afraid.

I mean c'mon....Brave Donkey Floyd outsmarted ashedin and caitlin lol.
Floyd will outsmart the Feds too.
And ashedin and caitlin and novitski were all at the top of their classes in college.

 

[thehog]

Reported again this morning:


These sources, who have longstanding ties within the big-money cycling world, contend that an investigation is being mounted by government officials and will be launched, possibly as soon as next week. It would culminate what's hardly been a stellar time for the 38-year-old star athlete.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Reported again this morning:


These sources, who have longstanding ties within the big-money cycling world, contend that an investigation is being mounted by government officials and will be launched, possibly as soon as next week. It would culminate what's hardly been a stellar time for the 38-year-old star athlete.

Reported on Eonline. The same article states "It's a process called EPO, which is essentially transfusing a rider's blood with performance-enhancing drugs."

I think a more credible cycling news outlet with something beyond unnamed "sources" would better qualify as news.

 

[thehog]

Reported on Eonline. The same article states "It's a process called EPO, which is essentially transfusing a rider's blood with performance-enhancing drugs."

I think a more credible cycling news outlet with something beyond unnamed "sources" would better qualify as news.

You love my posts. You watch them. Read them over and over. Think about them. I think you like me.

 

[Tubeless]

I'd keep my mouth shut to the investigators, keep it open to the press, ride in the tour, and wait and see what nowinsky comes up with.

If there is indeed a formal investigation launched next week, as rumoured, Mr Novitsky will seek to question Lance pretty quickly - standard procedure and out of courtesy to him. Lance could refuse to answer questions, blame bad memory, or take the 5th - all of which are like flashing red to the bull in charge. And it wouldn't look good after publicly agreeing to cooperate and for continuing to ride his bike - e.g at the TdF.

If he agrees to answer questions, the first one is likely to be something like "Have you ever taken PEDs?", and Lance says "absolutely not", then it simply becomes an easy perjury case for the feds. If Lance says "I have", he's in trouble all the same.

LA is in between a rock and a hard place. What shall he do?

 

[stephens]

I wish Joe Papp would come in here and tell us if that's it or not.

But isn't is usually customers who rat our their dealers, and not the other way around?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Frankly, I cannot remember an investigation where a 7-time TdF champion was investigated by the federal government in his country. In addition, I can't remember a case where an investigation into UCI bribery was involved. Anyone?

I think Lance is such a pivotal figure in doping that bringing him down would finally send a message to riders. If McQuaid also goes down, that would be even better.

Is there a chance that doping will continue? Sure. Will doping increase if Lance and others go down? I think that's actually unlikely. As for the Festina affair, I'd argue that has led to cleaner cycling in France. Well, at least during the times of the year when US Postal wasn't training there.

I think things will only change if the power behind the throne goes. McQuaid is Hein's placeman. HV has placemen in every area of the sport. So if McQuaid goes, he'll be replaced by another Hein-boy.

Likewise, it doesn't matter if Armstrong does get bounced, it is far more important that the administrators and team management - the enablers if you like, are removed from the sport.

What hope is there for the sport when old dopers like Riis and Hog are running the two biggest teams and the various doping docs can carry on juicing people?

Andy Rhis could run Phonak - one of the worst teams ever for doping, get bounced and then come back a couple of years later with a 'new' team. T-Mob can change their name, talk about in-house programmes, but still employ the likes of Zabel and Aldag.

Getting rid of McQuaid and Armstrong is a start, but any change needs to be deep rooted at every level of the sport and with everyone involved in the sport.

 

[hektoren]

I think things will only change if the power behind the throne goes. McQuaid is Hein's placeman. HV has placemen in every area of the sport. So if McQuaid goes, he'll be replaced by another Hein-boy.

Likewise, it doesn't matter if Armstrong does get bounced, it is far more important that the administrators and team management - the enablers if you like, are removed from the sport.

What hope is there for the sport when old dopers like Riis and Hog are running the two biggest teams and the various doping docs can carry on juicing people?

Andy Rhis could run Phonak - one of the worst teams ever for doping, get bounced and then come back a couple of years later with a 'new' team. T-Mob can change their name, talk about in-house programmes, but still employ the likes of Zabel and Aldag.

Getting rid of McQuaid and Armstrong is a start, but any change needs to be deep rooted at every level of the sport and with everyone involved in the sport.

+1
I completely agree. There're levels of sick, and Riis' performance when "coming clean" ranks among the more nauseating.

 

[patricknd]

Frankly, I cannot remember an investigation where a 7-time TdF champion was investigated by the federal government in his country.

an amazing statistic, given the large number of 7-time tdf winners.........

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

an amazing statistic, given the large number of 7-time tdf winners.........

Indeed. Looks like we're batting 1 for 1.

 

[johndouglas]

so, what was the scandal then?

 

[Green Tea]

so, whats the NEXT scandal then?

Nutritional supplementation.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7845

 

[Anonymous]

Nutritional supplementation.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7845

This might be true if this stuff actually did what it is advertised to do. It does not and I think you are aware of this.

 

[Cal_Joe]

so, what was the scandal then?

147 posts based on rumor, speculation, bad time lines, etc.