State of Peloton 2023

[StryderHells]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGvmBiNiDY

 

[StryderHells]

I’m loving Tour, real Volta Vibes

 

[Ripper]

It's all clean. Just the best power numbers ever

The power numbers at this year's Tour de France are the highest in the modern era of cycling

In this column, we dive into the power numbers of the world’s best riders at the Tour de France.

velo.outsideonline.com

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's all clean. Just the best power numbers ever

The power numbers at this year's Tour de France are the highest in the modern era of cycling

In this column, we dive into the power numbers of the world’s best riders at the Tour de France.

velo.outsideonline.com

Those modern bikes are very fast, they ride almost without pedaling.
Plus they eat more pasta than before and take ice baths.
Plus human evolution.
Plus other marginal gains.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I’m loving Tour, real Volta Vibes

I just hope the Volta still delivers real Volta vibes + that they also got their hands on the new rocket fuel.

 

[Riek s]

so they climbed Colombier 1m49seconds faster than in 2020. (while still arriving with a large group like in 2020.)

 

[Rackham]

so they climbed Colombier 1m49seconds faster than in 2020. (while still arriving with a large group like in 2020.)

They did two cat 1 climbs before the Colombier 3 years ago though (& the stage was longer). So that will have taken more out of them compared to this ascent, I assume.

In other news, in his post race interview, Gaudu said he's at 100% of his physical capabilities & the riders in front of him have seen their performance increase by 5x since Paris-Nice:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1679877322340462595

View: https://twitter.com/francetvsport/status/1679877322340462595?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1679877322340462595%7Ctwgr%5E4ef4d2824301eb9e7352a06996cf40b5943dfcbd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.letelegramme.fr%2Fsports%2Fcyclisme%2Ftour-de-france%2Fdavid-gaudu-que-voulez-vous-que-je-vous-dise-ca-monte-beaucoup-trop-vite-6394309.php


The way his comment is getting interpreted on various sites this evening is obvious, i.e. he's saying "they're doping, I'm clean".

 

[zlev11]

so they climbed Colombier 1m49seconds faster than in 2020. (while still arriving with a large group like in 2020.)

it helps a lot that the route was a junior stage today but damn, thats insane

 

[Red Rick]

it helps a lot that the route was a junior stage today but damn, thats insane

GC record just isn't the fastest record out there. They've never gone full throttle in the first 10km where you lose buckets of time to an ideal pacing schedule.

Vingegaard did Marie Blanque 1'30 faster than in 2020 after a similar stage, which is considerably more of a difference than taking 1'50 off the GC record which was by far the slowest climbing time in the 2020 Tour.

A climb and stage that compares very nicely is PSM 2015, and this was barely faster than that. So all things considering, this is very slow by 2023 standards.

 

[F_Cance]

Kwiatkowski from the break doing watts that would be good enough to podium a GT pre covid...

 

[Rob5091]

Kwiatkowski from the break doing watts that would be good enough to podium a GT pre covid...

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...orld-championships-win-for-michal-kwiatkowski
"The 33-year old, riding his ninth Tour, believes this could've actually been the best performance of his career. "I think I had the best legs I've ever had today. I never thought this was possible," he states."

Have Ineos also found the secret sauce?

 

[nightowl]

I’ve noticed all the usual watts estimating suspects on Twitter, etc. have been very quiet after today’s stage. I have a feeling they may have done some crazy numbers today and when a group that big with no attacking goes that fast it starts to look completely ridiculous

 

[hhaus2002]

Are there any top-10 times of mountains/cols that we can include the riders of this Tour in? I've looked around but cannot find these lists this time around.

 

[NFTtiddies]

Are there any top-10 times of mountains/cols that we can include the riders of this Tour in? I've looked around but cannot find these lists this time around.

Mihai Simion keeps a record here: Climbing-records

 

[Riek s]

I’ve noticed all the usual watts estimating suspects on Twitter, etc. have been very quiet after today’s stage. I have a feeling they may have done some crazy numbers today and when a group that big with no attacking goes that fast it starts to look completely ridiculous

https://twitter.com/x/status/1679968756095647746

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1679968756095647746

 

[therealthing]

UAE vs Jumbo doping arms race on full show today. Wout dropping like a stone then coming back like nothing happened??? Get the f**k out of here.

 

[Riek s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680242065643388932

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1680242065643388932


Probably they would have been very close beating or getting within seconds of Panatani times... with 2 riders. (33:51s according to tracker data). With Rodriguez gaining 40s instead of losing time... it would have been very close.

And Rodriguez also with a top time, like Padun in 2021

edit:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680242343822127104

View: https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/1680242343822127104

 

[Netserk]

Do we think they could have been 30''-40'' quicker? More?

 

[NFTtiddies]

Jumbo and UAE doctors right now before tomorrows stage:

 

[Red Rick]

Do we think they could have been 30''-40'' quicker? More?

I believe they were on track for the record.

 

[Riek s]

Do we think they could have been 30''-40'' quicker? More?

They would have been 40seconds faster if they just kept the same pace as Rodriguez (who was a lot slower then how they rode before).


If one have a few to many drinks one could argue they asked Pog/Ving to stop riding to avoid to unnecesarry scrutiny if they broke it.

 

[meat puppet]

Say they break the record. Who would care at this point?

Professionalism, training, bikes, special pillows and human evolution would be fed to the public. And you know the core audience mamils will buy anything. Pros can improve ergo I can improve, and that's that.

 

[zlev11]

that close to the record after soft pedalling the final 1.5k AND after a super high pace all day. not normal, but we already knew that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I believe they were on track for the record.

I was actually following the climbing time vs kilometers left. They needed like 21 kph for the last 4-5 km (so 2100+ m/h of VAM) to do this. The record was unrealistic. I think they could've ridden about 30 seconds off Pantani's time. Pogacar probably cooked himself a bit with this attack and Vinge also dug very deep to bridge the gap. The slowing down wasn't only tactical imo.

 

[Mayomaniac]

State of the Peloton atm: As natty as Mike O'Hearn.