State of the Peloton 2024

[Froome]

6.5 w/kg for 31 minutes, those are Volta a Portugal numbers from the late '10's.

It wasn't that much, but it was a good perfomance.

The superdomestiques now can do the same perfomances the top riders did some years ago.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

6.5 w/kg for 31 minutes, those are Volta a Portugal numbers from the late '10's.

Almida with the tribute performance to his home tour, hitting the front early and forgetting to get tired and finish his pull

 

[Froome]

Almida with the tribute performance to his home tour, hitting the front early and forgetting to get tired and finish his pull

He left Portugal when he was very young mate, he knew he wouldn't have any chance against the modern Big Mig from Uruguay called Mauricio Moreira.

Good luck to follow Mauricio Moreira in August on Senhora da Graca doing 6.5 w/kg with a temperature of almost 40 °C!

 

[BullsFan22]

I'm glad you brought this up. VdP's 'quick' trips to Spain and 'short' altitude camps have always been suspicious to me. Reminds me of an unstoppable Dario Cologna flying back and forth from Sochi to his home in between races for a little top off en route to winning 2 golds at Sochi after a mediocre season (would have possibly won 3 if he didn't break his pole near the end of the 50k).

Broke his ski actually, not pole. But yeah, a 3rd gold wouldn’t have been out of the question.

 

[Nick2413]

Both Benji and Patrick have talked about doping in the past too. Benji has the classical stance that if someone is found guilty they can be chastized for it, but never before that. Patrick on the other hand used to say they all dope. Some times he can be heard hinting at that still by saying he can't swear on anyone being clean.

Yep before they made it big Patrick was wide open about them all doping, like Durianrider levels of cynicism lol. Then complete 180 and deleted all vids with mentions of doping once they got mainstream. At least you can tell he wants to keep it real and doesn’t actively feed the audience fairytales.

 

[zlev11]

It wasn't that much, but it was a good perfomance.

The superdomestiques now can do the same perfomances the top riders did some years ago.

some years ago meaning...2004?

 

[Ripper]

Yep before they made it big Patrick was wide open about them all doping, like Durianrider levels of cynicism lol. Then complete 180 and deleted all vids with mentions of doping once they got mainstream. At least you can tell he wants to keep it real and doesn’t actively feed the audience fairytales.

Oh man, I have not heard of Durian recently. Is that tool still around the youtuber universe?

 

[noob]

Hmm plz don't take this seriously, because I merely like having fun! But this was too funny. If UCI wants to even the field by taking away Tapentadol, then Benji accusing Gianetti just made even more sense if UAE had found something newer 🤭

At any rate we understand now how Rogla set up Jonas against Pogi meanwhile having broken bones. 🫨

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKvc9DfTCio

 

[Nick2413]

Aren’t the rules written in a way that would automatically ban substances like tapentadol, even if they’re legal in some countries? All blood doping products, opioids, anabolic steroids or testosterone derivatives etc…

 

[Rob5091]

UCI use WADA's prohibited list at https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7g...f29ea076dd569caf1b86/2024_PROHIBITED_LIST.pdf

Tramadol & Tapentadol come under S7 narcotics.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

UCI use WADA's prohibited list at https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7g...f29ea076dd569caf1b86/2024_PROHIBITED_LIST.pdf

Tramadol & Tapentadol come under S7 narcotics.

Tapentadol is not yet on the prohibited list. And another opioid analgesic drug the dihydrocodeine is also missing from the banned list.

 

[noob]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801523333256642665

View: https://x.com/LanterneRougeYT/status/1801523333256642665

 

[snipeheem]

According to na1chaca Blatten from Naters (7,10km; 9,10%; 646m). 19'31min 21,83km/h. 1986 VAM. 7,19ᵉw/kg (est.). Adam Yates

 

[Rob5091]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801523333256642665

View: https://x.com/LanterneRougeYT/status/1801523333256642665

It must be bad if they keep posting about it. I await an explaination of what "really happened" ...

 

[noob]

I've been thinking; if it was true that "all top athletes dope" it would also mean they would all have to be rather skilled liars.

I can't exactly make it make sense.

 

[Froome]

I've been thinking; if it was true that "all top athletes dope" it would also mean they would all have to be rather skilled liars.

I can't exactly make it make sense.

They don’t need to lie when they take Tapentadol, because they are not taking something illegal......

 

[noob]

They don’t need to lie when they take Tapentadol, because they are not taking something illegal......

That's true, but I don't think Tapentadol is enough for all of them, or even for most. It's not very enhancing in itself, just swallows pain?

It would explain though why Jonas is seemingly so calm though

 

[Froome]

That's true, but I don't think Tapentadol is enough for all of them, or even for most. It's not very enhancing in itself, just swallows pain?

It would explain though why Jonas is seemingly so calm though

I heard that Tapentadol also improves the perfomances.

 

[Rob5091]

I've been thinking; if it was true that "all top athletes dope" it would also mean they would all have to be rather skilled liars.

I can't exactly make it make sense.

I present as evidence of the effects of doping, exhibt 1,
https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/best-excuse-or-denial-for-doping.9983/

 

[noob]

I present as evidence of the effects of doping, exhibt 1,
https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/best-excuse-or-denial-for-doping.9983/

Oh Jesus! Thank you. Now I know for sure they're not good liars 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 These kinda bad lies are hilarious 🤣 😆 😂 😄 😅

 

[Red Rick]

I've been thinking; if it was true that "all top athletes dope" it would also mean they would all have to be rather skilled liars.

I can't exactly make it make sense.

Liars? To some degree, mostly by omission.

Skilled? Lol no.

The simple truth is most people wanna believe so you really don't have to try too hard to convince them.

 

[noob]

Liars? To some degree, mostly by omission.

Skilled? Lol no.

The simple truth is most people wanna believe so you really don't have to try too hard to convince them.

This is my missing link as I'm shocked about how socially inept they seem overall.

I should have connected those dots, as I remember the day I thought Rasmussen was innocent 🫨😆

 

[Red Rick]

This is my missing link as I'm shocked about how socially inept they seem overall.

I should have connected those dots, as I remember the day I thought Rasmussen was innocent 🫨😆

We like the sport, so ofcourse we largely started out wanting to believe too. Then it's a matter of do you A) abandon the sport because omg dopers B) lie to yourself everyone has plausible deniability everyone is cleanz now and disgusting dopers always happened 20 year ago or C) embrace our lord and savior Riccardo Ricco

 

[topcat]

Watts up?

 

[Netserk]

It's also made easier by being a shared public belief/lie. "We all support the regime". "Doping was in the past".

To go from outsider to insider with access, you have to signal loyalty and undertake knowledge falsification.