Steakgate latest: Contador positive for Clenbuterol in four different tests

[sniper]

That, and the steak can't explain the plasicizers in it's tissue blood..

Well, with in his very first statements Contador did (not coincidentally) stress that the beef was brought to France vacuum packed. what are the odds...

In some earlier thread, it was already noted that the fact that AC stressed the vacuum packing suggests he had been informed previously about the plasticizers.

 

[roundabout]

the phrase refrigerated pannier wouldn't sound right

 

[Oldman]

the phrase refrigerated pannier wouldn't sound right

That's some expensive meat to get a motorcycle delivery!

 

[Boeing]

Yea and about the first of April here in the states I suddenly seem to find all my receipts too...

 

[BroDeal]

Has anyone posted this?

You can get it as a t-shirt.

http://cyclocosm.com/2010/11/the-pistolero-steakhouse-t-shirt/

 

[Christian]

Lol if this smuggle story is true than Conti's friend clearly got ripped off

 

[sniper]

Spanish Olympic Committee confident that AC's telling the truth (article in Spanish):

http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/16112010/47/coe-sigue-confiando-contador.html

 

[sniper]

Everybody down! This is a steak-up!

 

[The Devil]

WADA blow to Contador’s "tainted meat" defence

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-blow-to-contadors-tainted-meat-defence

The following points in the above article are highly relevant:

WADA says that it has tested meat from the butcher’s shop in Irún in northern Spain where Contador’s steak was bought and found no traces of clenbuterol. Similar tests at the abattoir that supplies the Irún butcher’s also found no trace of clenbuterol use.

WADA is also reported to have supplied a report from the European
Union into the analysis of almost 300,000 meat samples that were tested during 2008. Only a single sample showed even the possibility of contamination with clenbuterol.


The document concludes that Contador’s test results show that minimal amounts of clenbuterol had been ingested, but that they did not come from meat that had possibly been contaminated.

The report also points out that although Contador does have certificates that allow him to use treatments for asthma as a bronchodilator, clenbuterol is not one of them.

 

[GJB123]

At least Astana/Contador have produced a (valid) receipt otherwise how could WADA have visited the correct butcher's. At least that part of his story seems correct. Now it is just that it is unlikely or impossible for him to proof that the meat actually contained clen.

Regards
GJ

 

[jimmypop]

At least Astana/Contador have produced a (valid) receipt otherwise how could WADA have visited the correct butcher's. At least that part of his story seems correct. Now it is just that it is unlikely or impossible for him to proof that the meat actually contained clen.

Regards
GJ

So the foolish ploy by Contador and his handlers and team has come back to bite them. Perfect.

Professional cyclists have the worst luck. If it's not traces of cocaine in throat lozenges, it's getting blood on the road mixed with your own blood in a crash or eating beef tainted with a popular weight-loss drug. "Yes, officer, the pharmacy in my car's trunk is medication for my mother/dog/infant child."

And everyone involved in cycling feigns surprise when fans are skeptical of the sport with regards to doping.

 

[python]

here's what i find interesting - the report if the print is correct, appears to absolve contador of any blood transfusion

...Contador’s test results show that minimal amounts of clenbuterol had been ingested, but that they did not come from meat

ingested=by mouth leaving only 2 possibilities: clen doping on the rest day or a contaminated supplement.

 

[Sophistic]

The whole meat story was not a good idea by Riis, they should have come up with some "took the wrong asthma spray" stuff instead.

 

[Arnout]

WADA blow to Contador’s "tainted meat" defence

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-blow-to-contadors-tainted-meat-defence

The following points in the above article are highly relevant:

WADA says that it has tested meat from the butcher’s shop in Irún in northern Spain where Contador’s steak was bought and found no traces of clenbuterol. Similar tests at the abattoir that supplies the Irún butcher’s also found no trace of clenbuterol use.

WADA is also reported to have supplied a report from the European
Union into the analysis of almost 300,000 meat samples that were tested during 2008. Only a single sample showed even the possibility of contamination with clenbuterol.


The document concludes that Contador’s test results show that minimal amounts of clenbuterol had been ingested, but that they did not come from meat that had possibly been contaminated.

The report also points out that although Contador does have certificates that allow him to use treatments for asthma as a bronchodilator, clenbuterol is not one of them.

That can never be a proof of anything.

 

[lean mean &green]

here's what i find interesting - the report if the print is correct, appears to absolve contador of any blood transfusion



ingested=by mouth leaving only 2 possibilities: clen doping on the rest day or a contaminated supplement.

your making far too much of this word choice. your bias in the contador case is palpable.

 

[hrotha]

Funny that the Spanish authorities claimed WADA only contemplated the meat contamination hypothesis in their report.

 

[python]

your making far too much of this word choice. your bias in the contador case is palpable.

you are making far too much of my factual and literal reading of the article. your bias is palpable b/c you have no clue where i stand.

 

[bike_framed]

Does anyone, other than WADA, really think that the butcher's shop in Irún would continue to sell beef with clenbuterol - if they ever did - after they were named by Contador's people? They probably also think someone accused of murder in the press would keep the gun sitting on their coffee table for all to see.

 

[hrotha]

Does anyone, other than WADA, really think that the butcher's shop in Irún would continue to sell beef with clenbuterol - if they ever did - after they were named by Contador's people? They probably also think someone accused of murder in the press would keep the gun sitting on their coffee table for all to see.

It's not like the butcher would know who provided him with the contaminated meat, unless he wanted to trace back the meat himself, which isn't very likely. Also, it depends on when WADA took those samples. We don't really have a timeline of when the ticket appeared.

 

[python]

Does anyone, other than WADA, really think that the butcher's shop in Irún would continue to sell beef with clenbuterol - if they ever did - after they were named by Contador's people? They probably also think someone accused of murder in the press would keep the gun sitting on their coffee table for all to see.

let's recall some dates to put your post into a perspective:

- 1st steak dinner: 20 july
-b-positive: over a month later 8 september

did wada visit the shop over a month after the dinner or had they tested the meat before even the a-sample tested for clen - 23 august - 32 days after the sample was taken ?

 

[poupou]

The most damaging point is that Clenbeturol effects last more than 20 days ... so no need to inject clenbuterol before slaugtering that should be a waste of time and money !

 

[hektoren]

here's what i find interesting - the report if the print is correct, appears to absolve contador of any blood transfusion



ingested=by mouth leaving only 2 possibilities: clen doping on the rest day or a contaminated supplement.

I wouldn't read too much into their choice of words, even though you're right of course. The article originally appears in El Pais and is translated by an englishman, and is based upon a report from WADA, likely written in english or french, probably translated into spanish either by WADA for the benefit of RFEC, or by the journo. I'm still unsure how this will play out.
The phtalates-plasticizer-bloodpouch theory may be plausible, but as of yet I doubt WADA will push that theory forward. They don't really have to, until their test for plasticizer is written into codes and regulations. The onus is on Contador to explain the Clen. Seems it will be an uphill struggle.

 

[python]

I wouldn't read too much into their choice of words, even though you're right of course. The article originally appears in El Pais and is translate snip

i went to look for the original article in spanish. the googled version has no references to 'ingested' the way the cn article reads.
http://translate.google.com/transla...01117elpepidep_2/Tes&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

goes to show how frustrating it could be trying to glean some facts from a patchy reporting. wada testing time frame in relation to the positive tests is also important but the original article has no references.

 

[bike_framed]

It's not like the butcher would know who provided him with the contaminated meat, unless he wanted to trace back the meat himself, which isn't very likely. Also, it depends on when WADA took those samples. We don't really have a timeline of when the ticket appeared.

What if the butcher had no knowledge the meat was contaminated but the supplier did and when he got wind of things he made sure the shop in Irún was getting clean stuff? If it was me I'd sure want to try to cover my tracks and not have all of Spain after me.

This still gets us into your point about testing timelines which we don't know. We also don't know when Team Contador started to formulate his defence and began asking questions which might have tipped off the suppliers. Then again, maybe they never contacted anyone because there was no point in asking questions about something that never happened.

 

[lean mean &green]

What if the butcher had no knowledge the meat was contaminated but the supplier did and when he got wind of things he made sure the shop in Irún was getting clean stuff? If it was me I'd sure want to try to cover my tracks and not have all of Spain after me.

This still gets us into your point about testing timelines which we don't know. We also don't know when Team Contador started to formulate his defence and began asking questions which might have tipped off the suppliers. Then again, maybe they never contacted anyone because there was no point in asking questions about something that never happened.

what if the whole contaminated meat story is bogus?