Steakgate latest: Contador positive for Clenbuterol in four different tests

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This raises more questions than answers. Just who was the "9th guest"? And why the attempted cover-up?

Prolly Vino?

 

[luckylegs]

Does any of this really matter?

Clenbuterol was found in his system. (He has never denied this)

It is the responsibility of the rider to know what he puts in his body.

He should be suspended.

+1 Exactly...AC should know better (Clen has no threshold).

Reminds me when Scott Moninger got busted for 19-norandrosterone, proved the suppliments he took were contaminated, but still was banned.

 

[BikeCentric]

This raises more questions than answers. Just who was the "9th guest"? And why the attempted cover-up?

Elisa Basso?

 

[MTDave]

Prolly Vino?

Bingo.
Credit for the receipt goes to bikesnobnyc.

 

[Polish]

Last year, Alberto's cook was "Chef Duffy"....

Per Chef:

"Everything we give them is controlled, it's checked"
"The Riders Table is a Holy thing..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_JP055E9JU
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[thehog]

Last year, Alberto's cook was "Chef Duffy"....

Per Chef:

"Everything we give them is controlled, it's checked"
"The Riders Table is a Holy thing..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_JP055E9JU
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Thanks. High fat, meat and low carb. Lance likes his meat.

Now do you guys sing with me on low carb?

Riders don't eat low fat diets anymore.

 

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Elisa Basso?

You just had to bring the team bike into this

 

[Polish]

Thanks. High fat, meat and low carb. Lance likes his meat.

Now do you guys sing with me on low carb?

Riders don't eat low fat diets anymore.

Exactly.

This is a GRAND TOUR.

Not carbo loading the night before a "big race" or charity ride lol.

Day after day of burning mega calories. After day after day.

 

[Polyarmour]

Thanks. High fat, meat and low carb. Lance likes his meat.

Now do you guys sing with me on low carb?

Riders don't eat low fat diets anymore.

Didn't hear low carb mentioned once. But I did see the pasta. I think you are seeing what you want to see.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Didn't hear low carb mentioned once. But I did see the pasta. I think you are seeing what you want to see.

Yes.

Once again, anyone who who read Nicolas Roche's Tour and Vuelta diaries will know that the Ag2r riders were eating pasta, pasta and more pasta during the grand tours. The food (in particular its dullness) was described repeatedly.

It seems pretty unlikely that Roche was making that up.

 

[webvan]

And the chef thinks that because the receipt proves meat was bought in Spain it proves AC (remember, same initials as in Puerto...) is clean ?!

BTW - is it me or has the "Contado Myth" thread been deleted ?

 

[Polyarmour]

Yes.

Once again, anyone who who read Nicolas Roche's Tour and Vuelta diaries will know that the Ag2r riders were eating pasta, pasta and more pasta during the grand tours. The food (in particular its dullness) was described repeatedly.

It seems pretty unlikely that Roche was making that up.

He wasn't making it up. Someone else posted this up in another forum. HTC's diet from Stage 17 of the 2008 TdF. Doesn't exactly look low carb to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=stein/090701


TEAM COLUMBIA MENU

STAGE 17, TOUR DE FRANCE 2008
Breakfast

• Banana (1)
• Muesli (150 gr)
• Pasta (150 gr -- weight is non-cooked)
• Croissant with chocolate (1)
• Coffee (250 ml)
• Soy milk (300 gr)
• Mixed fruits (200 gr)
• Orange juice (300 ml)

Pre-race

• Pasta (150 gr)
• Water (500 ml)

Race

• PowerBar (4)
• Fruit cake (100 gr)
• PowerBar carbo drink (4000 ml)
• PowerBar energy gels (4)
• Coca-Cola (400 ml)
• Turkey sandwich (2)
• Water (1000 ml)

Post-race

• Recovery drink (500 ml)
• Turkey sandwich (1)
• PowerBar (1)
• Coca-Cola (330 ml)
• Fruit cake (100 gr)
• Water (400 ml)

Dinner

• Mixed vegetables (200 gr)
• Pasta (200 gr)
• Chicken breast (250 gr)
• Sauce (100 gr)
• Plain yogurt (350 gr)
• Mixed fruits (150 gr)
• Water (800 ml)

Pre-sleep

• Gum/sweets (100 gr)
• Chocolate (25 gr)
• Water (500 ml)

 

[cyclesoflife]

I have it on good authority that it was Michael Rasmussen...

but he was not supposed to be in Spain that day so keep it on the qt.

 

[nicholaaaas]

nicholaaas and Bald Eagle, you buys better chill before the mods show up and sentence you to having to read ACF94's posts for 24 hours straight.

never!! I'll appeal to the CAS!

 

[nicholaaaas]

But in that case, the burden of proof would have to be on Contador to prove that it did come from steak. Otherwise, every single doper ever caught could come up with a stupid excuse and get their suspensions overturned.

"I never injected EPO... some random guy stuck me with a hypodermic while I was asleep in my hotel room."

"I never used amphetimines... someone must have spiked my food."

"I couldn't have taken the clear. Someone must have put them in my suntan lotion."


If Contadors excuse is valid... so are all of the above. Simply proving that a positive test COULD have caused by accidental use isn't enough to overturn a suspension like this... or else ANYONE who EVER failed ANY drug test that resulted in them losing their jobs would be able to sue to get their jobs back. There is ALWAYS some stupid excuse that could possibly cause you to have "mistakenly" taken a drug.

even calling this a positive test is just foolish. the fact that there IS an EU limit to clen in meat and the low levels in his pee and more than enough to cast doubt on the positive.

 

[rzombie1988]

I don't believe the Contador is innocent at all but I want to know this: How does he know it was the steak? Was the steak in question tested?

 

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I don't believe the Contador is innocent at all but I want to know this: How does he know it was the steak? Was the steak in question tested?

Not tested, nor existent.

But it is an easy PR ploy. His fan base (quite sizable), can readily understand/believe when they make a blanket statement regarding what Contador's camp thinks it is. A 2 year ban on this basis makes it more of a consideration for those that will hand down the punishment.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Alberto off the hook - cow confesses.

 

[BikeCentric]

Is all of this just a manufactured ploy from those cows working for the Chick-fil-A marketing campaign to get us to "eat mor chikin"?! Those crafty, crafty cows!

 

[Night Rider]

Who on earth keeps the receipt for food bought over a month earlier?

Smells like....................................?

Me. I travel for work and have to keep receipts. Maybe the chef was a contractor and also had to?

 

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Alberto off the hook - cow confesses.

Eggsellent!

 

[Polyarmour]

Me. I travel for work and have to keep receipts. Maybe the chef was a contractor and also had to?

Astana is a business. The business is bicycle racing. All Astana's meals are tax deductible expenses and as such have to be documented. All receipts have to be kept. Accountants have to add up all the expenses and make sure the cooks, managers and cyclists aren't ripping off the Kazahk benefactors etc. No-one is going to fund a cycle team to the tune of $20+million/year and not expect full documentation of expenses.

 

[surgical_spirit]

Look, it's all very simple. The beef he ate was wrapped in cling film, which is where the plasticizers came from.

Yes, some of you might argue that the test is specific to the plastic used in blood bags but this was special 'spanish cling film' to complement the 'special spanish beef'. And yes some might say that the levels were too high to have been from special 'spanish cling film' but that's what makes it so special you see. It was probably like double wrapped and stuff to keep in the special freshness.

Honestly, there really is no need to over complicate all of this.

 

[HoustonHammer]

Nah, I don't buy it.

I could if the team had purchased it, but this was meat bought by a friend coming to visit. Do you ask your friends for receipts when they come to visit you?

It just smells fishy to me.

Thank you. That's exactly what I thought. What self-respecting Spaniard brings a gift from the homeland to his fellow-countrymen in a foreign land and hands over the receipt for it so he can be reimbursed???

 

[webvan]

as someone pointed out, the "friend" was indeed carrying something, except it wasn't a steak it was a "bag" !