Steakgate latest: Contador positive for Clenbuterol in four different tests

[indurain666]

Did You Ever Ride Alpe D'HUEZ. I will bet Your fat **** You Did not. I could ride Alpe d' Huez in SAy Maximum 48 min with more training. There are very few people even capable of riding the alp in under an hour. And any rider who has ridden alpe D'hUEZ IN 40 minutes or so is obviously on epo. Any thing under say 43 minutes is suspicious. 45 MINUTES for contador in the dauphine. 53 for menchov. I will gaurantee You that You could not ride the alp in under an hour. Yes 56 minutes it was easy i said that. But under 50 Yes no problem whatsoever for me. One ride sprinting out of the saddle to the summit on a 53- 17. Have You ever ridden the alp. as I SAID i RODE THE ALP ONCE . tHESE gUYS ARE RIDING THESE SORT OF CLIMBS since they were in their teens. I would hesitate to provoke me with ignorant as an answer in future as ignoant I ain't. NAD YES SUPER FIT BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY MORE THAN yOU WILL EVER know. As a matter of fact 19 ,45 is my best for a ten mile time trial. NOw that aint bad could You match that. AND BELIEVE ME i KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO SUFFER ON A BIKE. and PRO CYCLISTS THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOU OR I. tHEY ARE NOT GODS.!!

56 mins, thats about 14 kmh over 8% slope, its not bad for a recreational cyclist but not even good enough for very low amateur racing.

In american standards: Mediocre Cat4 road racer maybe , that is assuming that you are telling truth, which I highly doubt it cause you seem to be a little delusional

So yeah a single 14 kmh TT up Alpe d'Huez is no big feat really. Sorry buddy, keep up the good work though, maybe you'll get there someday.

Needless to say, your argument about using your mediocre cycling results as proof that you don't need PEDs to win or race the TDF is really bad actually.

 

[Squares]

Sorry, but nothing new-at least to me!!as far the origin of the infamous "steak"-it's been established as the news broke the main street and was already part of the official statement:
http://www.rtve.es/mediateca/videos/20100930/contador-proclama-su-inocencia/891031.shtml
as far as the receipt to prove the purchase of the meat......does it matter? what matters is the establishment' location so the health authorities can go and check it out--IF in fact the meat was contaminated....
regardless of the dates, the receipts, the stories behind the "steak" or whatever tale they come up with- they won't take back the damage already done to Contador's reputation

I bet Landis could come up with a receipt for whiskey too, it proves nothing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I can't believe everyone fell for a BPC thread.

At no point in the article does it say that Contador has the receipt - merely that a receipt was given to Astana.
But even if a receipt is produced it does not explain how clenbuterol was in Contadors system.

The real news today are the comments from WADA director David Howman:

"There is no such thing as a limit where you don't have to prosecute cases. This is not a substance that has a threshold," Howman added with regard to the Clenbuterol found in Contador's urine. "Once the lab records an adverse finding, it's an adverse finding and it has to be followed up."

But the BIG question is - WTF is a Spanish butcher going to do with a Sysmex machine?

 

[Barrus]

Dear doctor, how did you find that out that quickly? And why didn't you inform us? To be honest I hadn't even seen him yet upt 'till you said it, but he is now gone

 

[JRTinMA]

Dear doctor, how did you find that out that quickly? And why didn't you inform us? To be honest I hadn't even seen him yet upt 'till you said it, but he is now gone

Really that was BPC? Whats all the excitement about that cat, I thought his posts were boring. The fun part of the thread was the new guy, never ban him!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dear doctor, how did you find that out that quickly? And why didn't you inform us? To be honest I hadn't even seen him yet upt 'till you said it, but he is now gone

Poor BPC easily sets off the forum Biological Passport - he can dilute for a while but it doesn't take long before it goes off the chart.

I mentioned him yesterday in another post - I didn't know they were still on the banned list (I have a receipt)
Seriously, I have no problem with the guy on here as long as he follows the rules or etiquette, so I didn't feel there was a need to report it.

EDIT - and to be fair to BPC ther posts were mild compared to some of the posts on this thread.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Wow, quoting Will Ferrell: "I like you...but you are crazy"

Nice of you to say so. I will take that as a compliment.

 

[Barrus]

Poor BPC easily sets off the forum Biological Passport - he can dilute for a while but it doesn't take long before it goes off the chart.

I mentioned him yesterday in another post - I didn't know they were still on the banned list (I have a receipt)
Seriously, I have no problem with the guy on here as long as he follows the rules or etiquette, so I didn't feel there was a need to report it.

EDIT - and to be fair to BPC ther posts were mild compared to some of the posts on this thread.

He just is completely banned from the forum, for now and the rest of the existence of this forum, no matter how he behaves at a certain point. And to be fair he had not yet done anything at the moment. IF he wants to return, he would need to first have a talk with the moderating team before he would start to post, but I doubt he has any chance. Not that strange if you look at his history

 

[Mainerider]

I'm sure this has been fully vetted in here, so I apolgize in advance, but why isn't this as simple as testing the samples of the other Astana riders who ate the steak ? Shouldn't they be positive for clen too ?

 

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I'm sure this has been fully vetted in here, so I apolgize in advance, but why isn't this as simple as testing the samples of the other Astana riders who ate the steak ? Shouldn't they be positive for clen too ?

Berto's camp claims the only other person eligible for the doping controls on that day, Vino, ate earlier/elsewhere/something different.

 

[MTDave]

The receipt!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/TK3FX0knrYI/AAAAAAAAQ-w/1VF46j2Bq2Q/s1600/receipt.jpg

 

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Hilarious!!!

 

[Cobblestones]

I'm sure this has been fully vetted in here, so I apolgize in advance, but why isn't this as simple as testing the samples of the other Astana riders who ate the steak ? Shouldn't they be positive for clen too ?

Obviously you can't test them if they didn't give a urine sample that day. The only other Astana rider who was sampled that day was Vino, who, according to the team's press release did not eat the Spanish meat. Bertie is on his own here.

 

[Hugh Januss]

There is some interesting stuff to read here, including the fact that in humans one side effect of eating clen. tainted meat is extreme illness. I don't remember a day that Contador seemed sick during the tour........
http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/clenbut_cheat.html

 

[Barrus]

There is some interesting stuff to read here, including the fact that in humans one side effect of eating clen. tainted meat is extreme illness. I don't remember a day that Contador seemed sick during the tour........
http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/clenbut_cheat.html

If I am correct in those cases the amount of clen in the body was many times higher than in the case of Contador.


Also this may not need to have been a case of meat contominated to doping cows, it could have been used legally as a medicine, but the cow has been slaughtered too quickly

 

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There is some interesting stuff to read here, including the fact that in humans one side effect of eating clen. tainted meat is extreme illness. I don't remember a day that Contador seemed sick during the tour........
http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/clenbut_cheat.html

Too much water can make one very sick as well.

 

[Hugh Januss]

If I am correct in those cases the amount of clen in the body was many times higher than in the case of Contador.


Also this may not need to have been a case of meat contominated to doping cows, it could have been used legally as a medicine, but the cow has been slaughtered too quickly

Yes, true that. Most of those cases were in fact about show anjmals that were directly doped for better appearence. I found it interesting that that sort of thing goes on at the Four-H level. Cheating is universal.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Too much water can make one very sick as well.

As can too much whiskey.
Ask Floyd.

 

[offbyone]

Word is the receipt says 'tainted with clen', right on it.

Right, so originally contador asked for the steak, but now the chef was the person who initiated the steak request. I love how they mysteriously discover the receipt just now even though contador has known about this for over a month.

Contador has to get Johnnie Cochran as his lawyer for the meat defense which is very similar to the infamous chewbacca defense or the glove defense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

 

[Angliru]

I might be wrong on this, but didn't Willy Voet write that steak was not a good recovery food, and that there were better sources of protein?

Chris Horner is/was known for eating cheeseburgers after stages and people want to discount the validity of someone else eating a steak?

 

[Angliru]

Didn't Contador say he ate the meat with the other Spanish riders. Test them too for both Plasticizer and and clenbuterol. They should show up with should all show up with clenbuterol. And if the show up for Plasticizers too. Surprise!

You do realize that it has been at least 2 months since the end of the Tour?

 

[Polish]

What is the scoop on José Luis López Cerrón?

He is the gentleman who picked out the cuts of meat, paid for them, got the receipt, and packed them all in the cooler for transport into France.

I read he is the race director for the "Castles and Lions" race.
But what is/was his relationship to Team Astana?

http://theinnerring.blogspot.com/2010/10/rogue-steak.html
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[Angliru]

"if the "meat was awful in France" why didn't he bring more, perhaps enough for the two meals used as the excuse and the Tourmalet recovery meal?"

Yep, they we're from two days which I acknowledge in the post - My point was that the local meat wasn't good enough for the rest day, but the same Chef is then praising the local beef tenderloin as ideal for the recovery meal?

Is he praising the local beef or tenderloin in general as being ideal? That is not clear IMO.

 

[Hugh Januss]

What is the scoop on José Luis López Cerrón?

He is the gentleman who picked out the cuts of meat, paid for them, got the receipt, and packed them all in the cooler for transport into France.

I read he is the race director for the "Castles and Lions" race.
But what is/was his relationship to Team Astana?

http://theinnerring.blogspot.com/2010/10/rogue-steak.html
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Bag man?..............

 

[Angliru]

Nicholaaaas Did You ever climb the tourmalet or any Alpine or Pyrenean Col. I did. 17 times over 2000 METERS on various Cols throughout Europe. I was not riding like a Tourist either. But these cols are quite easy for any one who is Fit.
I found them easy. They are not as difficult as one imagines.

You found the Tourmalet easy???? What is your definition of fit?