Subpoenas issued -- Armstrong's goose is cooked

[Crashes and punctures]

It is not that I dislike LA. However I do not "trust" him or his minions due to the fact that they are liars, cheaters and the perpetrators of fraud. And you are correct that "ordinary" people just do not give a crap about your hero. In fact they care even less about cycling.You seem to know so much about what the public thinks you must be a politician.
We are definitely coming from different angles and you have gone off on some totally unreasonable tangent.
Again, get a phone book and call any oncologist in the book and he/she will enlighten you about the real fight against cancer, then get out your checkbook and shut the Fuc% up.

Will do! .................

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

It is not that I dislike LA. However I do not "trust" him or his minions due to the fact that they are liars, cheaters and the perpetrators of fraud. And you are correct that "ordinary" people just do not give a crap about your hero. In fact they care even less about cycling.You seem to know so much about what the public thinks you must be a politician.
We are definitely coming from different angles and you have gone off on some totally unreasonable tangent.
Again, get a phone book and call any oncologist in the book and he/she will enlighten you about the real fight against cancer, then get out your checkbook and shut the Fuc% up.

and once more you speak lies. Here is a list of the top cancer charities. And ummmmmmm duhhhhhh LA and Livestrong are not even on the list. Wise up, get out your checkbook and donate to an actual worthy cause. (or go by a Livestrong kit and come on over to CA so I can run your sorry **** off the road.)

http://www.charitywatch.org/toprated.html#cancer

CANCER AIP GRADE
Breast Cancer Fund A–
Breast Cancer Research Foundation A+
Cancer Care B+
Cancer Research Institute A
CureSearch/National Childhood Cancer Foundation A
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society B+
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center A
Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation A
National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund A
Prevent Cancer Foundation A–
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital (ALSAC) B+
Susan G. Komen for the Cure B+

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

I don't think it's necessary to be so rude and insulting. If you have a good point then it should stand alone.

But you're again making the same mistake. Yes, YOU dislike Armstrong and his charity because you think he uses it to protect him, don't like how it operates etc.

Well it's actually rated as a good charity that gives lots of grants and helps people will cancer, but you're entitled to that view. But my point is, and I confess I don't have opinion poll data at hand to back this up, that most ordinary people won't be looking into this in depth either way - they will just conclude that using your fame to set up a cancer charity and do good is a good thing. That's of course the very reason why you don't like what Armstrong has done - because you know that's how people will think.

I think we sort of agree but you're just coming at it from a different angle.

and once more you speak lies. Here is a list of the top cancer charities. And ummmmmmm duhhhhhh LA and Livestrong are not even on the list. Wise up, get out your checkbook and donate to an actual worthy cause. (or go by a Livestrong kit and come on over to CA so I can run your sorry **** off the road.)

http://www.charitywatch.org/toprated.html#cancer

CANCER AIP GRADE
Breast Cancer Fund A–
Breast Cancer Research Foundation A+
Cancer Care B+
Cancer Research Institute A
CureSearch/National Childhood Cancer Foundation A
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society B+
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center A
Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation A
National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund A
Prevent Cancer Foundation A–
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital (ALSAC) B+
Susan G. Komen for the Cure B+

 

[Crashes and punctures]

But it does have a good charity rating for how it is run and conducts itself. If you dig deep into the Armstrong thread in the race section there is a debate about it from people who know more about it than myself.

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

But it does have a good charity rating for how it is run and conducts itself. If you dig deep into the Armstrong thread in the race section there is a debate about it from people who know more about it than myself.

and once more you speak lies. Here is a list of the top cancer charities. And ummmmmmm duhhhhhh LA and Livestrong are not even on the list. Wise up, get out your checkbook and donate to an actual worthy cause. (or go by a Livestrong kit and come on over to CA so I can run your sorry **** off the road.)

http://www.charitywatch.org/toprated.html#cancer

CANCER AIP GRADE
Breast Cancer Fund A–
Breast Cancer Research Foundation A+
Cancer Care B+
Cancer Research Institute A
CureSearch/National Childhood Cancer Foundation A
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society B+
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center A
Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation A
National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund A
Prevent Cancer Foundation A–
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital (ALSAC) B+
Susan G. Komen for the Cure B+

pick one!

 

[Beech Mtn]

And jesse got to wear the pink jersey.. something lance never did

LOL Lance couldn't pull off that look.


On the question of there being a smoking gun that is making this case move along so quickly - could the DNA matches from OCLAESP be a part of that? Surveillance from a rest-day top-up?

 

[Crashes and punctures]

Well you'll have to read it to see what the nature of the rating was. I'm not going to dig it up for you. User kurtinsc knows a lot about it.

LAF is not actually run by Armstrong, you know.

It would be interesting if you would have a different opinion of Armstrong if you thought it was a great charity. Should it make a difference?

 

[Crashes and punctures]

LOL Lance couldn't pull off that look.


On the question of there being a smoking gun that is making this case move along so quickly - could the DNA matches from OCLAESP be a part of that? Surveillance from a rest-day top-up?

Would that effect the USPS business though? I suppose it would be circumstantical evidence that doping could have gone on during another era, but this would not prove the specific case of whether it amounts to fraud.

But it's strange that we never heard anything about that though after the story broke, what, eight months ago?

 

[Ferminal]

Who let BPC get 40 posts?

 

[BroDeal]

Who let BPC get 40 posts?

I reported him. Other people need to report him and stop responding to his drivel.

 

[blackcat]

It is not the use of Federal funds... It is using dope, to perform better, to GET the funds. That is called fraud. The US Govt does not like to be defrauded.

but the sponsor revenue is fungible. See: indictment for Holy Land Foundation boardmembers. Matters not if the cash was laundered via a sale of Trek Madones, the PED expense was intrinsic to the operation of USPS, and the sponsors funds came from the defacto Federal org.

 

[Mr.DNA]

Wow...

http://www.charitywatch.org/articles/cancer.html

The Lance Armstrong Foundation (LAF), founded by the champion bicyclist and cancer survivor of the same name, is celebrating its 10-year anniversary this year. Wouldn’t you think a charity that receives massive publicity for having one of the most popular causes and most admired celebrities as the face of the organization would be able to easily raise lots of money? Unfortunately this is not the case. LAF spent as much as $45 to raise each $100, exceeding AIP’s 35% recommended fundraising ceiling by a significant margin. While LAF had difficulty raising contributions efficiently, it did prove to be a savvy merchandise marketer. LAF sold over $24 million in merchandise, including the ubiquitous yellow “LIVESTRONG” wristband, as well as clothing, sports gear and even dog leashes. Yet after spending $10 million in solicitation costs, the group brought in only $22 million in contributions, according to AIP’s analysis of LAF’s 2005 financial statements.

 

[Orinda8]

131313, your co-workers sound like real jerks, sorry.

oh btw, I thought awhile back there were rumors about LA wanting to get into politics? was that true? I'm sure if he is completely destroyed by Novitzky, he doesn't have a chance in hell for political office, or does he? I would be surprised if he got anywhere after his true colors are revealed.. but then again, a small part of me says, this is America, and some politicians are much dirtier than LA.

Classic example is Marion Barry,re-elected mayor of DC after his bust for cocaine;LA would be elected with a huge margin

 

[stephens]

It isn't up to you to tell. It is up to the husband

By the same logic, it's not up to the teammate/competitor to tell what they know about Armstrong either.

 

[forty four]

What took so long?

Yawn.

After all this blows over, the haters will still be haters.
The fanboys will still be fanboys.
And the general public will not care.

yes and athletes competing at illogical things like riding bikes fast will still cheat as they will in other sports until the end of time. what is confusing about the nature of sport and highly competitive athletes? so when la is gone it will all change? **** people are dumb.

 

[cyclestationgiuseppe]

Wow...

http://www.charitywatch.org/articles/cancer.html

Yep and thank you!

 

[Cozy Beehive]

TREK has been issued subpoenas.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/07/13/2010-07-13_source_grand_jury_subpoenas_lance_armstrong_sponsor_trek_in_cycling_drug_probe.html

 

[BikeCentric]

And jesse got to wear the pink jersey.. something lance never did

Jesse Ventura was also surprisingly well spoken and smart which was an amusing juxtaposition on a guy who looks like a meathead. For example, he was on Larry King Live about a year ago and he said: "torture doesn't work, I know from my Navy Seal training. Let me put it this way: you give me a waterboard, **** Cheney, and 5 minutes, and I'll get him to confess to the Sharon Tate murders."

Also, as he said in Predator, he "ain't got time to bleed." Gotta respect that.

 

[BikeCentric]

TREK has been issued subpoenas.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/07/13/2010-07-13_source_grand_jury_subpoenas_lance_armstrong_sponsor_trek_in_cycling_drug_probe.html

Wow, the Feds are seriously not joking around here.

I bet $1.00 that they've already subpoenad Stephanie McIlvain, formerly an Oakley employee as most here know.

 

[DirtyWorks]

"Damage Control?"

If a grand jury has been impaneled, I think that really is a big deal. Grand jury proceedings can go on for months and months, but a prosecutor generally doesn't bring them in unless he has a plan in mind. In other words, if the reports are correct we may have moved from the investigatory phase to the prosecutorial phase awfully quickly.

I see the speed at which this might be happening to mean that they have some clear take-downs. The haste at which it's happening suggest some of the *really* rotten apples will walk. The show will probably go on, Bio Passport as 'the answer', wildly uneven doping penalties, and worst of all, limited damage to the Armstrong myth.

I'd *love* to be wrong.

 

[Crashes and punctures]

TREK has been issued subpoenas.

But...

According to a Daily News source close to the case, testimony subpoenas have not yet been issued.

"Doh!"

 

[BikeCentric]

I see the speed at which this might be happening to mean that they have some clear take-downs. The haste at which it's happening suggest some of the *really* rotten apples will walk. The show will probably go on, Bio Passport as 'the answer', wildly uneven doping penalties, and worst of all, limited damage to the Armstrong myth.

I'd *love* to be wrong.

Bottom line is, if the investigation doesn't at least cause some heads to roll at the UCI then you'll be right.

 

[Cobblestones]

TREK has been issued subpoenas.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/07/13/2010-07-13_source_grand_jury_subpoenas_lance_armstrong_sponsor_trek_in_cycling_drug_probe.html

Points to the direction of the investigation. Always smart to follow the money. You bet that Trek will detail every single nut and bolt they gave away as part of their sponsorship deal. There won't be any 'I can't recall', or 'we lost count' because none of the TREK accountants is going to risk jailtime for that. Their defense is obviously 'we are shocked, shocked to find that doping is going on in here'.

 

[BroDeal]

TREK has been issued subpoenas.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/07/13/2010-07-13_source_grand_jury_subpoenas_lance_armstrong_sponsor_trek_in_cycling_drug_probe.html

That would seem to indicate that they will follow the bike sale money.

The article also says that no testimony subpoenas have been issued. Hamilton is safe for a while.

 

[Cobblestones]

But...




"Doh!"

document subpoena =/= testimony subpoena.

Doh!

You're not looking very smart right now.