Cobblestones said:Weird, when I stroke my something, Jesus kills a kitten, or so my mum told me once.
Wow, we should publicize that as a solution to feline overpopulation!
Cobblestones said:Weird, when I stroke my something, Jesus kills a kitten, or so my mum told me once.
hfer07 said:but none of the above were using PED's while having a "tax payer's sponsor"
BTW I'm really surprised how fast the investigation is moving ahead-I'm wondering if Landis started talking to the Feds in 09....
woodburn said:When you refuse to answer questions about someone related to the probe, you can go to jail for contempt of court. That is what happened to Barry Bonds trainer Greg Anderson.
Don't think Hincapie, Hamilton, Vaughters and others would willingly risk jail. Lance is going to need to coordinate all their actions to avoid them speaking out. Find it hard to believe he can do it.
SaftyCyclist said:Who's Armstrong going to try and implicate for his plea bargain, who's further up the chain, UCI, drug companies, Trek, Nike?
frenchfry said:You can bet that Lance's thugs will be hard at this, they have a history of intimidating the opposition. If I was Hamilton, Vaughters etc. I would be doing everything possible to record any contacts with Lance and his helpers - just in case.
Dr. Maserati said:2005/2006? So the charity did better when he retired from the sport?
Here is Charity Navigators assesment for the same year you posted (FYE 2008).
I am not saying anything about the charity pre se, as Ulman does do great work - but the figures are slightly different to yours and the rating given appears less than other similar charities.
erader said:tockit said:Unfortunately, you're exactly right.
This will be devastating for cycling and I'm sure won't be taken well by the cancer support community.
Like him or not, Lance is basically a household name.
In the end, if this goes down, the whole sporting world will suffer.......[/QUOTE]
we survived clemens and woods. we'll get over it.
ed rader
ManInFull said:erader said:Absolutely. It will only be confirmation of what many people have believed for quite sometime.
richwagmn said:There's going to have to be more than just what people say I think. Landis has a tough row to hoe with his denials, etc as credible witness in court. Tyler too with his lame explanation of his doping.
Be interesting to see if any other riders crack under a federal subpoena. They'll need a Frankie or Vaughters I think.
I wonder if there are any smoking guns?
DirtyWorks said:I see the speed at which this might be happening to mean that they have some clear take-downs. The haste at which it's happening suggest some of the *really* rotten apples will walk. The show will probably go on, Bio Passport as 'the answer', wildly uneven doping penalties, and worst of all, limited damage to the Armstrong myth.
I'd *love* to be wrong.
Oldman said:ManInFull said:And for a time the group of gassed specialists that we admire will make less money. I'm more concerned about the passing motorist that yelled from his pickup truck this afternoon: "Hey ***! Lance is going to jail!" Who knew the public picked up on Sports Radio this fast.
goober said:Oldman said:You need to get rid of the USPS jersey and that Trek OCLV.
Oldman said:ManInFull said:"Hey ***! Lance is going to jail!" Who knew the public picked up on Sports Radio this fast.
forty four said:so when la is gone it will all change? **** people are dumb.
the wierd thing is, lance still seems to be a popular man in the peloton, hushovd still holds him in high regard both on and off record (though he might have dug himself into a hole with the whole befriending lance and jumping on the anti cancer thing last year) and according to hushovd's coach a lot of the tour riders want LA to leave the TdF with a stage win to his name131313 said:I don't think so. I think that a lot of guys in the euro peloton must be a little chaffed. Doping allegations are one thing; preferential treatment, fixing positives and donations to the UCI are quite another.
I bet a lot of guys are realizing that no, in fact, the playing field really wasn't as level as they thought. Some guys out there with some knowledge have to feel like they've been played.
Mr.DNA said:
ManInFull said:Clear-cut evidence would be nice. I just have a feeling that we may not get anything but lot of statements. However, if there are statements under oath by many people, it will be hard to ignore.
workingclasshero said:the wierd thing is, lance still seems to be a popular man in the peloton, hushovd still holds him in high regard both on and off record (though he might have dug himself into a hole with the whole befriending lance and jumping on the anti cancer thing last year) and according to hushovd's coach a lot of the tour riders want LA to leave the TdF with a stage win to his name![]()
Oldman said:And for a time the group of gassed specialists that we admire will make less money. I'm more concerned about the passing motorist that yelled from his pickup truck this afternoon: "Hey ***! Lance is going to jail!" Who knew the public picked up on Sports Radio this fast.
R.0.t.O said:LA is respected in the bunch, no doubt about it. Whether it's correct or not, there is a feeling among riders that he has raised their profile and increased their wages. Whether he doped won't change that because everyone dopes and that's no big deal to the other riders; if he does go down for basically race-fixing (collusion and bribing the UCI) then that may be different but there's a way to go on that still.
I'm a long-time Lance-hater but yes, he should be allowed a stage win over the next fortnight. One of the reasons I dislike LA is the way that he's disrepected and make a mockery of cycling for his own ends - the correct way to deal with that is to rise above it and act with dignity. The new patron Cancellara, preferably along with mj Schleck and defending champ Contador, should go to Armstrong and arrange for him to win a transition stage this week - let him know that the sport will keep its dignity and traditions, but also that his time has gone and the sport is moved on without him.
R.0.t.O said:LA is respected in the bunch, no doubt about it.
R.0.t.O said:LA is respected in the bunch, no doubt about it. Whether it's correct or not, there is a feeling among riders that he has raised their profile and increased their wages. Whether he doped won't change that because everyone dopes and that's no big deal to the other riders; if he does go down for basically race-fixing (collusion and bribing the UCI) then that may be different but there's a way to go on that still.
I'm a long-time Lance-hater but yes, he should be allowed a stage win over the next fortnight. One of the reasons I dislike LA is the way that he's disrepected and make a mockery of cycling for his own ends - the correct way to deal with that is to rise above it and act with dignity. The new patron Cancellara, preferably along with mj Schleck and defending champ Contador, should go to Armstrong and arrange for him to win a transition stage this week - let him know that the sport will keep its dignity and traditions, but also that his time has gone and the sport is moved on without him.