Cerberus said:Being no longer a GC threat he should be allowed to try for a stage win, there's no reason to chase down a breakaway because Armstrong is in it, so if he can get into one and beat the other riders fair and square he's welcome to it. That doesn't mean the race should be fixed to give him one and even if Schleck, Contador and Cancellara all felt he should there's no way the stage hunting teams would agree. If he managed to keep up with Schleck and Contador on a climb they can give it to him if they want, though they're not obligated to. They don't have any right to or possibility of getting the entire peloton to agree though.
Roland Rat said:Oh I don't know, I'd love to see Contador give him the Simeoni treatment.![]()
R.0.t.O said:..
. The new patron Cancellara, preferably along with mj Schleck and defending champ Contador, should go to Armstrong and arrange for him to win a transition stage this week - let him know that the sport will keep its dignity and traditions, but also that his time has gone and the sport is moved on without him.
Benotti69 said:do you think this guy who has an ego bigger than any athlete that has been before in any sport ever, will accept that. This guy doesn't give a damn about any other rider in the peleton, why did he come back? He'll want a podium place....
Whatever you want to believe .....VeloCity said:You mean the case in which it was the the Bush administration DoJ that decided not to pursue charges? That decision to downgrade was made before either Obama or Holder took office. Holder had nothing to do with it.
Stop watching FoxNews, it'll rot your brain.
R.0.t.O said:In which case he leaves with nothing.
Benotti69 said:exactamondo. i don't believe he has the true respect of the podium, they may show it in front of him, but not feel it.
i wonder how many of the peleton wear the yellow bracelet showing respect for the guy.....i imagine it is part of the uniform as much as oakley's
131313 said:I think if he did a mea culpa right now and came clean, and spent the next 3-5 years working on his image, he'd completely recover.
I don't think he's going to do that.
I'll totally be Lance's life coach. He'll have to pay me way more than he paid Mike Anderson, though. Lance, if you're listening, call me. I'll forget all about that thing at Gila...
didn't one of the links about the subpoenas mentioned the grand jury wont be public ? if so i guess that's why a reference to anonymity.HL2037 said:Now feltet.dk reports:
"... Alle indkaldte vidner vil kunne aflægge deres vidnesbyrd i fuld anonymitet ..."
which translates into
"... all subpoened witnesses will be able to give their testimony in full anonymity ..."
http://feltet.dk/index.php?id_parent=1&id=28&id_nyhed=26994
Did anybody hear about this? Maybe they misunderstood?
Mrs John Murphy said:It has always puzzled me why Armstrong hasn't gone down the A-Rod/McGwire route and done the 'tearful' interview with Oprah or someone like that. I am sure that such an interview with lots of mentions of cancer and how everyone else was doping and he was only doing it to keep up, I am sure that all the fanboys would still support him.
R.0.t.O said:Almost everyone in the pro peloton is, to some extent, aspiring to be like Lance Armstrong. They all want to win races, make loads of money and be famous. They know it's a dog-eat-dog world. Apart from Contador, and a few close to Contador, they respect Armstrong and some do like him. Doping is not a crime to any of these guys; probably neither is embezzlement, tax evasion or collusion. Once he goes to prison of course then they'll drop him entirely and tell us that they never liked him in the first place.
Disrespecting the sport is a different matter, which is why I think it'll be suggested that he makes a glorious exit in the expected way with a stage win and then clear off. Cycling needs to regain its dignity and there is no dignity for the sport in a champion clinging on desperately and losing 4 minutes every day; someone needs to make it clear that he can have a stage win and then get in the bus and let the cameras follow the actual race.
Mrs John Murphy said:It has always puzzled me why Armstrong hasn't gone down the A-Rod/McGwire route and done the 'tearful' interview with Oprah or someone like that. I am sure that such an interview with lots of mentions of cancer and how everyone else was doping and he was only doing it to keep up, I am sure that all the fanboys would still support him.
python said:didn't one of the links about the subpoenas mentioned the grand jury wont be public ? if so i guess that's why a reference to anonymity.
but i have a general question, can someone explain the us law on grand jury ?
does it mean a subpoenaed witness wont be interviewed by the prosecutors/investigators prior to the commencement of a grand jury hearing ?
does the fact that a witness (like hamilton) agreeing to cooperate only if subpoenaed trying to limit the number of questions he/she will be asked and thus to a degree try to limit/impede the full investigation ?
R.0.t.O said:I'm a long-time Lance-hater but yes, he should be allowed a stage win over the next fortnight. One of the reasons I dislike LA is the way that he's disrepected and make a mockery of cycling for his own ends - the correct way to deal with that is to rise above it and act with dignity. The new patron Cancellara, preferably along with mj Schleck and defending champ Contador, should go to Armstrong and arrange for him to win a transition stage this week - let him know that the sport will keep its dignity and traditions, but also that his time has gone and the sport is moved on without him.
sars1981 said:What about those who have already given testimony against Lance (only in another context)? These people could surely be used now? Maybe even Lemond will get a call up? I'm sure he wont need to be asked twice lol ...
woodburn said:When you refuse to answer questions about someone related to the probe, you can go to jail for contempt of court. That is what happened to Barry Bonds trainer Greg Anderson.
Don't think Hincapie, Hamilton, Vaughters and others would willingly risk jail. Lance is going to need to coordinate all their actions to avoid them speaking out. Find it hard to believe he can do it.
oldschoolnik said:"They don't refuse they just say " I don't recall" - none of these guys are under any pressure - they just say they didn't know the bikes were being sold - they didn't know what LA was doing in the room by himself. etc...
R.0.t.O said:LA is respected in the bunch, no doubt about it. Whether it's correct or not, there is a feeling among riders that he has raised their profile and increased their wages. Whether he doped won't change that because everyone dopes and that's no big deal to the other riders; if he does go down for basically race-fixing (collusion and bribing the UCI) then that may be different but there's a way to go on that still.
I'm a long-time Lance-hater but yes, he should be allowed a stage win over the next fortnight. One of the reasons I dislike LA is the way that he's disrepected and make a mockery of cycling for his own ends - the correct way to deal with that is to rise above it and act with dignity. The new patron Cancellara, preferably along with mj Schleck and defending champ Contador, should go to Armstrong and arrange for him to win a transition stage this week - let him know that the sport will keep its dignity and traditions, but also that his time has gone and the sport is moved on without him.
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woodburn said:When you refuse to answer questions about someone related to the probe, you can go to jail for contempt of court. That is what happened to Barry Bonds trainer Greg Anderson.
Don't think Hincapie, Hamilton, Vaughters and others would willingly risk jail. Lance is going to need to coordinate all their actions to avoid them speaking out. Find it hard to believe he can do it.
fatandfast said:I can't wait to hear the prosecutor. "Well boss he's a big fish..this Armstrong guy. People are calling for his head" "I need to take me and my team to France to look around for 10 year old clues...I think I will need about 500000 euros or so""The people that can overturn his TDF results have already said they have no interest but I say we go there anyway""I am pretty sure that nobody has burned or thrown away anything..it's probably in the glove box of the blood bus". Once they start looking up Floyd's but_t with a microscope this thing is going to be a career ruining task for anybody. The public and their checkbook are not too keen on Roman Polanski,Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds 10's of million dollar dead horse beatdowns.