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Samu Cuenca said:
They're not showing the shot put on TV2?!!
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It might come as a surprise for you, I'm not that interested in shot put...

But based on the "Going all-in" article from the beginning of the year; TV2 should indeed be showing cycling. They specially mention that they'll be showing it. Sure, by name-dropping Rolf Sørensen as an expert, but even if he won't be able to commentate, it wouldn't be much of a reason to drop the entire coverage...
 
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RedheadDane said:
It might come as a surprise for you, I'm not that interested in shot put...

But based on the "Going all-in" article from the beginning of the year; TV2 should indeed be showing cycling. They specially mention that they'll be showing it. Sure, by name-dropping Rolf Sørensen as an expert, but even if he won't be able to commentate, it wouldn't be much of a reason to drop the entire coverage...
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It looks like the time trials and road races are on DR. They are however being broadcast later in the day on TV2 Sport X, so perhaps they are shown live on TV2 Play as well.
 
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Samu Cuenca said:
They're not showing the shot put on TV2?!!
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Yes a noble ancient discipline starting during the siege of Troy, however felt a bit senseless during Athens 2004 to create an artificial narrative about the ancient Olympiad by letting the venue take place at Ancient Olympia Stadium as the shot put didn't happen in ancient Olymics. But OK, anything goes nowadays.

However, howbout one of the real antiques? Here Greipel in action:
Diskoskasteren-Dias.jpg
 
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SafeBet said:
I'd say you guys are being a little too harsh on WVA considering his previous performances in WC road races and in Tokyo. You kind of owe him a selection for Paris, despite a big question mark over his shape. And it's not like you would trust Philipsen and/or De Lie to win this race, or even get a medal.
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I mean maybe the goal is just a medal after all, but how many years of failing to win a major race have to go by until WVA stops getting leadership status? I don't know if I would leave him at home, but De Lie + WVA seems a lot better chance of winning than Benoot + WVA. Look at euro champs last year, they made a good team although WVA still managed to lose it. And at some point you have to look to the future and building experience.

WVA's career best performances have actually been as a dom. So maybe take him, but put him to work.

As far as the parcours, it actually looks favorable for de lie imo. The climbs are numerous but not as steep as Flanders, say. Small teams suggest it may be hard from a long way out. De Lie's best chances are sprinting after a tough day. Even mvdp can sometimes lose his sprinting legs in that scenario, but de lie is a world-beater in that situation, and more clutch than WVA. So my first move as the Belgian DS would be to get Remco up the road with anyone but MVDP (easier said than done), with Stuyven as first worker and Wout as wildcard or late game dom, and De Lie as protected sprinter.

And all of this assumes the riders will manage to show up with credible form on the day. It's not easy to guess when they'll be able to peak but give them a chance.

ps: as to Campy and Benoot, they are great rouleurs but I don't think they match Stuyven or WVA or even De Lie in compound score because they're a bit too small in stature. Compound score is imo the best way to measure potential as a dom. The only rider Campy can lead out is Remco...
 
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I mean maybe the goal is just a medal after all, but how many years of failing to win a major race have to go by until WVA stops getting leadership status? I don't know if I would leave him at home, but De Lie + WVA seems a lot better chance of winning than Benoot + WVA. Look at euro champs last year, they made a good team although WVA still managed to lose it. And at some point you have to look to the future and building experience.

WVA's career best performances have actually been as a dom. So maybe take him, but put him to work.

As far as the parcours, it actually looks favorable for de lie imo. The climbs are numerous but not as steep as Flanders, say. Small teams suggest it may be hard from a long way out. De Lie's best chances are sprinting after a tough day. Even mvdp can sometimes lose his sprinting legs in that scenario, but de lie is a world-beater in that situation, and more clutch than WVA. So my first move as the Belgian DS would be to get Remco up the road with anyone but MVDP (easier said than done), with Stuyven as first worker and Wout as wildcard or late game dom, and De Lie as protected sprinter.

And all of this assumes the riders will manage to show up with credible form on the day. It's not easy to guess when they'll be able to peak but give them a chance.

ps: as to Campy and Benoot, they are great rouleurs but I don't think they match Stuyven or WVA or even De Lie in compound score because they're a bit too small in stature. Compound score is imo the best way to measure potential as a dom. The only rider Campy can lead out is Remco...
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Don't underestimate the hills in the finishing circuits after 200k. A fit, rested Pog could walk away with this. I'm pulling for Mvdp but I would not be surprised if an outsider won. He's going to have to pull back every attack by himself.
 
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Don't underestimate the hills in the finishing circuits after 200k.
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Not sure what this is supposed to mean? which rider of my proposed Belgian team is not world class at repeated efforts of:

> technical bends and a tough cobbled climb on the Butte Montmartre (1km at 6.5%)

MVDP is still fave of course. Pog could have won but I guess he is targeting Worlds which is more favorable.
 
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I mean maybe the goal is just a medal after all, but how many years of failing to win a major race have to go by until WVA stops getting leadership status? I don't know if I would leave him at home, but De Lie + WVA seems a lot better chance of winning than Benoot + WVA. Look at euro champs last year, they made a good team although WVA still managed to lose it. And at some point you have to look to the future and building experience.

WVA's career best performances have actually been as a dom. So maybe take him, but put him to work.

As far as the parcours, it actually looks favorable for de lie imo. The climbs are numerous but not as steep as Flanders, say. Small teams suggest it may be hard from a long way out. De Lie's best chances are sprinting after a tough day. Even mvdp can sometimes lose his sprinting legs in that scenario, but de lie is a world-beater in that situation, and more clutch than WVA. So my first move as the Belgian DS would be to get Remco up the road with anyone but MVDP (easier said than done), with Stuyven as first worker and Wout as wildcard or late game dom, and De Lie as protected sprinter.

And all of this assumes the riders will manage to show up with credible form on the day. It's not easy to guess when they'll be able to peak but give them a chance.

ps: as to Campy and Benoot, they are great rouleurs but I don't think they match Stuyven or WVA or even De Lie in compound score because they're a bit too small in stature. Compound score is imo the best way to measure potential as a dom. The only rider Campy can lead out is
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Isn’t the course closer to LBL than Flanders? Not as forgiving for sprinters.
 
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Bolder said:
Don't underestimate the hills in the finishing circuits after 200k. A fit, rested Pog could walk away with this. I'm pulling for Mvdp but I would not be surprised if an outsider won. He's going to have to pull back every attack by himself.
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if he is even remotely close to PR form pulling every attack back isn't even on the cards. He'd just crush everyone from afar.

But that's a big question mark tho.
 
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proffate said:
Not sure what this is supposed to mean? which rider of my proposed Belgian team is not world class at repeated efforts of:

> technical bends and a tough cobbled climb on the Butte Montmartre (1km at 6.5%)

MVDP is still fave of course. Pog could have won but I guess he is targeting Worlds which is more favorable.
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Sorry, was a little distracted. I meant to say that it might be a too hard for De Lie, Stuyven, otoh looked great at the end of the Tour. He has a real chance.
 
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Sciatic said:
Isn’t the course closer to LBL than Flanders? Not as forgiving for sprinters.
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not really.
LBL - https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/liege-bastogne-liege/2024/route/climbs

OGRR -
  • Côte de Port-Royal (1km at 5%)
  • Côte de Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse (1.3km at 6.3%)
  • Côte de Châteaufort (900m at 5.7%)
  • Côte de Senlisse (1.3km at 5.3%)
  • Côte d'Herbouvilliers (850m at 5.7%)
  • Côte de Bièvres (1.2km at 6.5%)
  • Butte Montmartre (1km at 6.5%) (3x)
LBL total climbing is close to 5km vs 2.8km for OGRR.
 
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Zoetemelk-fan said:
Yes a noble ancient discipline starting during the siege of Troy, however felt a bit senseless during Athens 2004 to create an artificial narrative about the ancient Olympiad by letting the venue take place at Ancient Olympia Stadium as the shot put didn't happen in ancient Olymics. But OK, anything goes nowadays.

However, howbout one of the real antiques? Here Greipel in action:
Diskoskasteren-Dias.jpg
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The sculpture suggests that Evenepoel would have approved of Ancient Olympic Games' competitors.
 
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