Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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What can you do other than create a story when gianneti gives you an unthinkable scenario of two of the best riders of the team who have the better chance of winning the race of all the other riders are not doing the race. Its a shame and still shocking to me. Apart from that we can learn from today that its easy to get attention when a dumb person like Gianneti gives you a script as good as todays🤣
 
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What can you do other than create a story when gianneti gives you an unthinkable scenario of two of the best riders of the team who have the better chance of winning the race of all the other riders are not doing the race. Its a shame and still shocking to me. Apart from that we can learn from today that its easy to get attention when a dumb person like Gianneti gives you a script as good as todays🤣
If you are right, Narvaez will not do RVV.
 
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But why would that happen? There are no descents in the race, so real high-speed crashes are unlikely. Is it more injury-sustaining to crash on cobbles than asphalt? I don't think so. How many riders lose their seasons because of crashes in PR? I'd guess fewer than 0.5 per year.

Sound logic on the bold it was just my impression, data is good. I think its about minimizing unnecessary risks. He compromised his 2023 season by crashing in LBL. I am only thinking along similar lines as UAE management and Sean Kelly:


The risk is so high in Roubaix, and for a rider who is at his prime to win another Tour de France and prove that last year wasn’t a fluke because of Jonas Vingegaard’s crash, it’s not a good idea to ride Roubaix.
Also thinking rationally, he is even less suited to flat PR than hilly SB. So more risk and less chance of reward.

P-R Crash Crisis

The 25 teams select seven of their sturdiest riders on the cobbles to cope with the repeated punctures and frequent falls.

Frequent falls. Pogi doesn't fit the profile of one of the sturdiest riders in the peloton. This article gives the height and weight of the winners. Average height is 180cm (vs Pog 1.76). Average weight is 75Kg (Pog is maybe 65Kg).

Paris-Rouboux statistics
 
Wiggins also wanted to race PR, so it was simply impossible for anyone to hate on him?
Wiggins did well. Finished top 10 I believe.
I'm not aware of the finer details of what kind of person Wiggins was, but he seems to love cycling.
What i'm trying to say is, that I at the very least never hated Wiggins. Why should I?

Honestly the one cyclist I can not say much positive off is probably Cancellara. So I tend to stay quiet about him.
I might not like certain riders their tactics, but i don't hate on them. It's not even that I hate Cancellara. But I just could never care about him at all. He just left me uninterested.
 
Wiggins did well. Finished top 10 I believe.
I'm not aware of the finer details of what kind of person Wiggins was, but he seems to love cycling.
What i'm trying to say is, that I at the very least never hated Wiggins. Why should I?

Honestly the one cyclist I can not say much positive off is probably Cancellara. So I tend to stay quiet about him.
I might not like certain riders their tactics, but i don't hate on them. It's not even that I hate Cancellara. But I just could never care about him at all. He just left me uninterested.
I thought you meant "[to] hate on [someone]", not "[to] hate [someone]"?


to criticize someone or say bad things about them, in an unpleasant and public way

I don't think I hate any riders, but there are plenty that I like to hate on. Wiggins is among those.
 
Sound logic on the bold it was just my impression, data is good. I think its about minimizing unnecessary risks. He compromised his 2023 season by crashing in LBL. I am only thinking along similar lines as UAE management and Sean Kelly:



Also thinking rationally, he is even less suited to flat PR than hilly SB. So more risk and less chance of reward.

P-R Crash Crisis



Frequent falls. Pogi doesn't fit the profile of one of the sturdiest riders in the peloton. This article gives the height and weight of the winners. Average height is 180cm (vs Pog 1.76). Average weight is 75Kg (Pog is maybe 65Kg).

Paris-Rouboux statistics

Kelly's opinion on this is pure crap, I've also said so before.
 
Kelly's opinion on this is pure crap, I've also said so before.
Not saying you are wrong but do you have some numbers to support this? That’s why I provided numbers. Just seems excessive risk for the potential reward?

He is less suited to PR than MSR or SB which both have hills. Certainly less suited than Merckx was (Merckx was 74Kg). I’ve also read comments by riders saying to win PR you often have to recover from a crash at some point. Doesn’t take much to injure oneself on those cobbles. Maybe why Valverde baulked at it.
 
Not saying you are wrong but do you have some numbers to support this? That’s why I provided numbers. Just seems excessive risk for the potential reward?

He is less suited to PR than MSR or SB which both have hills. Certainly less suited than Merckx was (Merckx was 74Kg). I’ve also read comments by riders saying to win PR you often have to recover from a crash at some point. Doesn’t take much to injure oneself on those cobbles. Maybe why Valverde baulked at it.
I don't have numbers, but it certainly seems to me that the fear is disproportional to the actual risk. As others say, he can just as well crash in other races, and should he crash at PR, it's not a guaranteed end to the season as a lot of people always try to let on.
 
The risk of crash is higher but he can crash and not have a serious injury.
Of course. I can see Toby’s point that perception of risk riding P-R doesn’t reflect the true risk. But at the end of the day Pogi is less physically suited to P-R than SB or MSR. P-R is a flat parcours.

Seems like accepting a small increased risk of injury for lower probability of success.

Anyway it’s Pog’s call not ours. Will be fun to follow him just hope he gets through unscathed.
 

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