Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[yaf2]

What can you do other than create a story when gianneti gives you an unthinkable scenario of two of the best riders of the team who have the better chance of winning the race of all the other riders are not doing the race. Its a shame and still shocking to me. Apart from that we can learn from today that its easy to get attention when a dumb person like Gianneti gives you a script as good as todays🤣

 

[Peyroteo94]

Don't get me wrong, I am cheering for Pog to do well, heck I want to see him win Roubaix, but I'm going to be realistic.

You are underestimating Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

What can you do other than create a story when gianneti gives you an unthinkable scenario of two of the best riders of the team who have the better chance of winning the race of all the other riders are not doing the race. Its a shame and still shocking to me. Apart from that we can learn from today that its easy to get attention when a dumb person like Gianneti gives you a script as good as todays🤣

If you are right, Narvaez will not do RVV.

 

[Cookster15]

But why would that happen? There are no descents in the race, so real high-speed crashes are unlikely. Is it more injury-sustaining to crash on cobbles than asphalt? I don't think so. How many riders lose their seasons because of crashes in PR? I'd guess fewer than 0.5 per year.

Sound logic on the bold it was just my impression, data is good. I think its about minimizing unnecessary risks. He compromised his 2023 season by crashing in LBL. I am only thinking along similar lines as UAE management and Sean Kelly:

Sean Kelly's Classics Column: Tadej Pogačar would be crazy to ride Paris-Roubaix

Sean Kelly analyses an eventful weekend at Strade Bianche, and looks at where Pogačar's Classics campaign goes from here

www.cyclingnews.com

The risk is so high in Roubaix, and for a rider who is at his prime to win another Tour de France and prove that last year wasn’t a fluke because of Jonas Vingegaard’s crash, it’s not a good idea to ride Roubaix.

Also thinking rationally, he is even less suited to flat PR than hilly SB. So more risk and less chance of reward.

P-R Crash Crisis

The 25 teams select seven of their sturdiest riders on the cobbles to cope with the repeated punctures and frequent falls.

Frequent falls. Pogi doesn't fit the profile of one of the sturdiest riders in the peloton. This article gives the height and weight of the winners. Average height is 180cm (vs Pog 1.76). Average weight is 75Kg (Pog is maybe 65Kg).

Paris-Rouboux statistics

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

I don't think he'll win PR, but I'm absolutely delighted he'll race!

 

[KoopaCycling]

This is why you can't hate on Pogacar. The very fact that he wants to race PR.
Also he'll do well. Not sure about winning, but he'll do well.

 

[Netserk]

This is why you can't hate on Pogacar. The very fact that he wants to race PR.
Also he'll do well. Not sure about winning, but he'll do well.

Wiggins also wanted to race PR, so it was simply impossible for anyone to hate on him?

 

[Salvarani]

This is why you can't hate on Pogacar. The very fact that he wants to race PR.
Also he'll do well. Not sure about winning, but he'll do well.

Will be very interesting and exciting. He just has a great attitude and is a real champion.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Wiggins also wanted to race PR, so it was simply impossible for anyone to hate on him?

Wiggins did well. Finished top 10 I believe.
I'm not aware of the finer details of what kind of person Wiggins was, but he seems to love cycling.
What i'm trying to say is, that I at the very least never hated Wiggins. Why should I?

Honestly the one cyclist I can not say much positive off is probably Cancellara. So I tend to stay quiet about him.
I might not like certain riders their tactics, but i don't hate on them. It's not even that I hate Cancellara. But I just could never care about him at all. He just left me uninterested.

 

[Netserk]

Wiggins did well. Finished top 10 I believe.
I'm not aware of the finer details of what kind of person Wiggins was, but he seems to love cycling.
What i'm trying to say is, that I at the very least never hated Wiggins. Why should I?

Honestly the one cyclist I can not say much positive off is probably Cancellara. So I tend to stay quiet about him.
I might not like certain riders their tactics, but i don't hate on them. It's not even that I hate Cancellara. But I just could never care about him at all. He just left me uninterested.

I thought you meant "[to] hate on [someone]", not "[to] hate [someone]"?

hate on someone

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to criticize someone or say bad things about them, in an unpleasant and public way

I don't think I hate any riders, but there are plenty that I like to hate on. Wiggins is among those.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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Fatty Pogacar when he had the ideal weight to win PR!

 

[yaf2]

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This instagram post suggesting pog might be riding a new v5rs has now got a like by wellens which tells me the rumors of him riding the new bike were correct

 

[tobydawq]

Sound logic on the bold it was just my impression, data is good. I think its about minimizing unnecessary risks. He compromised his 2023 season by crashing in LBL. I am only thinking along similar lines as UAE management and Sean Kelly:

Sean Kelly's Classics Column: Tadej Pogačar would be crazy to ride Paris-Roubaix

Sean Kelly analyses an eventful weekend at Strade Bianche, and looks at where Pogačar's Classics campaign goes from here

www.cyclingnews.com

Also thinking rationally, he is even less suited to flat PR than hilly SB. So more risk and less chance of reward.

P-R Crash Crisis



Frequent falls. Pogi doesn't fit the profile of one of the sturdiest riders in the peloton. This article gives the height and weight of the winners. Average height is 180cm (vs Pog 1.76). Average weight is 75Kg (Pog is maybe 65Kg).

Paris-Rouboux statistics

Kelly's opinion on this is pure crap, I've also said so before.

 

[Salvarani]

Kelly's opinion on this is pure crap, I've also said so before.

He rode without a helmet in his days, that was really dangerous. Someone should tell him that.

 

[Cookster15]

Kelly's opinion on this is pure crap, I've also said so before.

Not saying you are wrong but do you have some numbers to support this? That’s why I provided numbers. Just seems excessive risk for the potential reward?

He is less suited to PR than MSR or SB which both have hills. Certainly less suited than Merckx was (Merckx was 74Kg). I’ve also read comments by riders saying to win PR you often have to recover from a crash at some point. Doesn’t take much to injure oneself on those cobbles. Maybe why Valverde baulked at it.

 

[topcat]

PR is a dangerous race for the cyclists and spectators. In 2009 (when Boonen won) a motorcycle crashed into the crowd injuring 16 spectators.
Kelly is a cycling God. He is beyond reproach.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

It's official POG rides PR

Pogacar alla Parigi-Roubaix per la prima volta, è ufficiale: sarà rivincita con Van der Poel e Ganna

Lo sloveno vince la diffidenza della sua squadra, la Uae Emirates, che temeva incidenti in vista del Tour de France. Ma il marziano vuole «vendicarsi» dopo lo show della Milano-Sanremo

www.corriere.it

 

[tobydawq]

Not saying you are wrong but do you have some numbers to support this? That’s why I provided numbers. Just seems excessive risk for the potential reward?

He is less suited to PR than MSR or SB which both have hills. Certainly less suited than Merckx was (Merckx was 74Kg). I’ve also read comments by riders saying to win PR you often have to recover from a crash at some point. Doesn’t take much to injure oneself on those cobbles. Maybe why Valverde baulked at it.

I don't have numbers, but it certainly seems to me that the fear is disproportional to the actual risk. As others say, he can just as well crash in other races, and should he crash at PR, it's not a guaranteed end to the season as a lot of people always try to let on.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The risk of crash is higher but he can crash and not have a serious injury.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He's probably gonna crash twice and still beat the Pidcock of the race.

 

[RedheadDane]

He's probably gonna crash twice and still beat the Pidcock of the race.

Hold on!
 That's what went wrong in MSR?!

(PLEASE, Tadej. If you're reading this; this is not meant as tactical advice.)

 

[Cookster15]

The risk of crash is higher but he can crash and not have a serious injury.

Of course. I can see Toby’s point that perception of risk riding P-R doesn’t reflect the true risk. But at the end of the day Pogi is less physically suited to P-R than SB or MSR. P-R is a flat parcours.

Seems like accepting a small increased risk of injury for lower probability of success.

Anyway it’s Pog’s call not ours. Will be fun to follow him just hope he gets through unscathed.

 

[MerkantilMerch]

The thing is given how strong he is currently, I just can not see him get distanced by anyone except in a sprint.

 

[Red Rick]

I think it's just funny that probably nobody who has a very strong opinion about the safety or danger of riding Paris-Roubaix has actually run the numbers.

 

[Cookster15]

The thing is given how strong he is currently, I just can not see him get distanced by anyone except in a sprint.

Well he couldn’t drop MVDP at MSR with two good climbs and there are other heavier riders who will be in the mix at P-R. But as you say they don’t have to distance him, just be in the same group and blow Pog away on the velodrome.