Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Because he's a rider who doesn't race much, like the riders of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Perhaps by racing more, he'd be less competitive in the Tour.
Riding the Giro-Tour is complicated, and next year he'll turn 30; he can't wait any longer, or Lipowitz or another young rider could surprise him any year.

He'll be regretting giving the Vuelta to Kuss. Now he has to fight for it with Pogacar, and in the future there may be stronger young riders.

It was crazy to give a GT, even to a teammate. They're hard to win. Pogacar wouldn't have done it.

No, he deserved to have more GT wins.

 

[rafa92]

No, he deserved to have more GT wins.

I agree with you that for his ability he should have more, but to win races you have to go there! to really deserve more he has to actually go there and win

 

[Jack_89]

It would be an interesting plot twist, wouldn't it?

I hope next year he'll set his sights on the Giro-Vuelta (by the way, he's already gave away one).The only concern will be whether Pogacar wants to return to the Giro. 😰

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I hope next year he'll set his sights on the Giro-Vuelta (by the way, he's already gave away one).The only concern will be whether Pogacar wants to return to the Giro. 😰

If he wins this Tour he will probably not change his spring schedule: an all-out attack on the monuments.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I agree with you that for his ability he should have more, but to win races you have to go there! to really deserve more he has to actually go there and win

And he goes. He is just facing the best GT rider ever.

 

[Cycling111]

No, he deserved to have more GT wins.

He doesn't have more because he's not going to the Giro, and because he decided to give a Vuelta. He'll be regretting for that, seeing as he'll likely face Pogacar this year.

 

[rafa92]

And he goes. He is just facing the best GT rider ever.

true, but he should have gone to giro and vuelta already (not just one time)

 

[Peyroteo94]

true, but he should have gone to giro and vuelta already (not just one time)

He will next year, unfortunately for Almeida

 

[Gigs_98]

His palmares looks bad to me. He is way better than his results. He can't finish his career with just 2 TdF.

Idk. If Vingegaard retires after this year and is remembered just as the boogieman who stole two TdF titles from the GOAT I think he will be remembered as a more mythical rider than if he adds two Giros to his palmares but gets smacked in the Tour every single year. I think it's hard to see a scenario where his career is defined by anything other than being the guy who beat Pogacar. I really hope he doesn't retire, Pogacars dominance would be beyond comical without him, but I don't think it would hurt his career narrative.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Idk. If Vingegaard retires after this year and is remembered just as the boogieman who stole two TdF titles from the GOAT I think he will be remembered as a more mythical rider than if he adds two Giros to his palmares but gets smacked in the Tour every single year. I think it's hard to see a scenario where his career is defined by anything other than being the guy who beat Pogacar. I really hope he doesn't retire, Pogacars dominance would be beyond comical without him, but I don't think it would hurt his career narrative.

He is not a rival anymore. He lost 2'10" today.

 

[scribers]

I think Rabo/Vingo prepare for and ride the tour every year with intent to win it and don't mix it up with the Giro. They won it with Yates ffs.

He was a whisker from winning this one based on unfortunate circumstances.

 

[yaf2]

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The pacing was too high even for pogi that he wanted to tell narvaez to slow down but his radio wasn't working😅 That explains why Riis's time wasn't down

 

[Peyroteo94]

Guys, do you remember the mosquito's story?
Yes, the mosquito got smashed!

 

[Gigs_98]

He is not a rival anymore. He lost 2'10" today.

I don't care. The point is that Jonas is literally the only one who can even hang in there with Pogacar on 1km hills. Seriously, without Vingegaard Pogacar could have just ridden away from his opponents on roughly 5 occasions during the flattest first week in recent history. With Vingegaard Pogacar does at least have to work for it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't care. The point is that Jonas is literally the only one who can even hang in there with Pogacar on 1km hills. Seriously, without Vingegaard Pogacar could have just ridden away from his opponents on roughly 5 occasions during the flattest first week in recent history. With Vingegaard Pogacar does at least have to work for it.

I get your point but I also think you agree with me. We no longer have a rivalry.

 

[Blanco]

He'll be regretting giving the Vuelta to Kuss. Now he has to fight for it with Pogacar, and in the future there may be stronger young riders.

It was crazy to give a GT, even to a teammate. They're hard to win. Pogacar wouldn't have done it.

It wasn't him who gave it to Kuss, it was Klugge...

 

[Gigs_98]

I get your point but I also think you agree with me. We no longer have a rivalry.

Absolutely. But the Tour is still more interesting with him than just with Pogacar.

 

[Red Rick]

rivalry
/ˈrʌɪvlri/

noun

1. competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.

It looks like it's a rivalry.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Chapeau!

P.S. So far i don't see any rivalry.

 

[Lorzenz08]

And he goes. He is just facing the best GT rider ever.

Yup. Without Pogacar he would be about to easily win a 5th TdF. And maybe 1 or 2 Vuelta/Giro as he would probably be more confident to do them if he didn't have to face Pogacar in the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

rivalry
/ˈrʌɪvlri/

noun

1. competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.

It looks like it's a rivalry.

You got my point but you still preferred to taunt. Classy!

 

[Lorzenz08]

WC achievable more than ever. If Vingegaard is not a factor anymore, he can ride 3rd week of the Tour in easy mode, go to the Vuelta, kill Angliru and then easy ride to arrive as fresh as possible in Rwanda.

However I will refrain from being too excited as it is still a long way, lot can happen in the meantime

 

[Savant12]

Big Pog fan here but the sport needs Vingo to be back to his best.

 

[scribers]

He might be at his best. There's not a lot of evidence he isn't compared to before. Basically, when you're forced to go into the red earlier to match a better biker, you simply drop a bit if not crack. Vingo wasn't particularly well test the two years he won.

 

[CyclistAbi]

We could i guess compare it to Yates brothers rivalry? On where it seems that one always win in between the two. Looking from the outside.