Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[dazaau]

If Pogačar can't do any altitude training until the end of the month, I can't see him beating Vingegård in the Tour.

However I can still see him behind competitive in the Tour and use it to get into top shape for the World Championships and possibly the Vuelta.

Genuine question, why can't you altitude train indoors?

 

[rokovski]

Genuine question, why can't you altitude train indoors?

You can live and train in altitude house, dont need to move in mountains.

 

[KZD]

You can live and train in altitude house, dont need to move in mountains.

Techincally you can, but its not usual. Kolobnev's hotel near Valencia where Remco and Van der Poel often go is the only one that I know of, though there may be more.

 

[Offline]

Relax no news is good news. Also remember UAE probably going to downplay his chances to take off the pressure from him.

 

[rokovski]

Techincally you can, but its not usual. Kolobnev's hotel near Valencia where Remco and Van der Poel often go is the only one that I know of, though there may be more.

In Slovenia, Planica nordic centre:
ten rooms (20 beds) in the Dom Planica hotel (up to 6000 meters above sea level), test facilities (up to 6000 meters above sea level) and sports halls (up to 2500 meters above sea level).

 

[Mayomaniac]

In Slovenia, Planica nordic centre:
ten rooms (20 beds) in the Dom Planica hotel (up to 6000 meters above sea level), test facilities (up to 6000 meters above sea level) and sports halls (up to 2500 meters above sea level).

Meanwhile they are banned in Italy and for Italian athletes even outside of Italy. Frankly, I find it absurd and the Italian NADA and laws should just be in line with the WADA code, because this way you're only hurting your own athletes.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm pretty sure he is fully recovered after 5 weeks since his crash. Probably Slovenia will be out of his schedule.

 

[rokovski]

Meanwhile they are banned in Italy and for Italian athletes even outside of Italy. Frankly, I find it absurd and the Italian NADA and laws should just be in line with the WADA code, because this way you're only hurting your own athletes.

Also Chat GPT was banned in Italy. 🙄
I know that "alpinists" are using this hotels too, before going to Himalaya.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Also Chat GPT was banned in Italy. 🙄
I know that "alpinists" are using this hotels too, before going to Himalaya.

At least with Chat GPT I can understand the privacy concerns.
Meanwhile stuff like the altitude tent ban and Italy getting all butthurt about stuff like nutri-score and banning it (because stuff like olive gets a bad score) is just a joke.

 

[Breh]

At least with Chat GPT I can understand the privacy concerns.
Meanwhile stuff like the altitude tent ban and Italy getting all butthurt about stuff like nutri-score and banning it (because stuff like olive gets a bad score) is just a joke.

Banning nutri-score is a good thing tho

 

[Aimar16]

Ben Healy broke his hand in February and trained indoors for several weeks. Since then, he's been flying...

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Ben Healy broke his hand in February and trained indoors for several weeks. Since then, he's been flying...

Maybe Pogi just followed Healy's advice on how to take your riding to the next level.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Ben Healy broke his hand in February and trained indoors for several weeks. Since then, he's been flying...

So you are saying that breaking your hand is the new ultimate marginal gain?

 

[Aimar16]

So you are saying that breaking your hand is the new ultimate marginal gain?

It is unlikely to make you faster, but hardly a big disadvantage as many claim

 

[Oldermanish]

Genuine question, why can't you altitude train indoors?

Lots of folks do it but you need a pressurized indoor environment. If you have one, it's preferential to sleep at altitude and train harder at lower elevations. Then go to higher outdoor rides to gauge the benefit. Or do your hardest efforts at lower elevations and long rides higher up.

 

[Oldermanish]

It is unlikely to make you faster, but hardly a big disadvantage as many claim

If a wrist injury doesn't heal, every severe bump in the road becomes your biggest aggravation over a 5 hour race. It's not something you could ignore for long.

 

[Aimar16]

If a wrist injury doesn't heal, every severe bump in the road becomes your biggest aggravation over a 5 hour race. It's not something you could ignore for long.

Not sure why his injury shouldn't heal. It's a wrist fracture, not brain surgery. Surely by the time he has to race in mid-June the injury will no longer limit him. The question is how much the injury affects the preparation....

 

[Salvarani]

Not sure why his injury shouldn't heal. It's a wrist fracture, not brain surgery. Surely by the time he has to race in mid-June the injury will no longer limit him. The question is how much the injury affects the preparation....

I guess we wont know or see until the Tour is underway.

 

[Aimar16]

I guess we wont know or see until the Tour is underway.

That's 100%. But Healy had been racing for a month and a half after this and was in pretty good shape.

 

[Oldermanish]

That's 100%. But Healy had been racing for a month and a half after this and was in pretty good shape.

Wrist injuries aren't like breaking a femur. There are many nerves running through the area and, while gripping and pulling may be possible it isn't always pain free. Healy's situation could be different but I think both guys will be fine. Tadej, in particular has enough history and success to take the time needed for long term recovery. He had some hardware added which can complicate comfort. He knows what he's doing.

 

[saunaking]

That's 100%. But Healy had been racing for a month and a half after this and was in pretty good shape.

i really dont think you can compare 'broken wrists' among athletes. Who knows the severity or placement of each one

 

[how yes no?]

It was mentioned in a cycling podcast of the Slovenian RTV that Tadej is training and will also race before the tour, but it was still a secret where (could be Slovenia, Dauphine, Swiss?).
So the general news is that he is doing ok.

 

[Aimar16]

i really dont think you can compare 'broken wrists' among athletes. Who knows the severity or placement of each one

The point was that with a few weeks of indoor training, he can build himself up to a pretty good level before the training camp at altitude. As Haely's example shows, not being able to train outside is not the end of the world. I wasn't comparing injuries.

By the way, it would have been nice to see him at the Giro, as he is visiting a specialist in Italy to get a lighter brace. He was only 25 kilometres from yesterday's finish. But it probably would have been an unnecessary risk after the Covid incidents...

 

[CyclistAbi]

We were wondering on why Jan Polanc isn't racing with Pogi anymore. It was confirmed some heart issues were discovered and Jan decided to put his health and family ahead of his cycling career and has retired from racing.

 

[Offline]

We were wondering on why Jan Polanc isn't racing with Pogi anymore. It was confirmed some heart issues were discovered and Jan decided to put his health and family ahead of his cycling career and has retired from racing.

This already been and being discussed at the UAE thread. But yes very sad!