Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[yaf]

Almeida and Ayuso are probably already dreaming of pulling a Vuelta Kuss at the Tour, so Pogacar will have to watch his back...

Pogi would rather give the win to yates than ayuso

 

[Mayomaniac]

Pogi would rather give the win to yates than ayuso

Yeah, seems obvious to me. Still, I doubt Pogacar gifts a Tour win to anyone.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogi will destroy the field in the first weekend. Having Ayuso, Almeida, and Yates working for you is luxury

 

[Hugh Januss]

Pogi will destroy the field in the first weekend. Having Ayuso, Almeida, and Yates working for you is luxury

I thought Almeida was always there to create a diversion?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Chance of internal struglles in UAE for "letting the road decide" come the Tour?

I mean, packing a team with four GT contenders made sense when Vingo and a packed JV were in the game.

 

[TrekCyclist]

I haven't heard any recent news about Roglic's injuries. Just that he has no fractures (?)
If he has no serious injuries that would interfere with his prep - it could be Pogacar vs Roglic at the TdF.
Pogacar with a non-ideal prep because of the Giro vs a well-prepared Roglic might be a close contest. Though I still would give Pogi the egde, probably.

 

[Rackham]

I haven't heard any recent news about Roglic's injuries. Just that he has no fractures (?)
If he has no serious injuries that would interfere with his prep - it could be Pogacar vs Roglic at the TdF.
Pogacar with a non-ideal prep because of the Giro vs a well-prepared Roglic might be a close contest. Though I still would give Pogi the egde, probably.

Rog is fine.

I feel a Rog versus Pog situation would be something too good to be true... so I'd rather not project that far ahead yet.

But sure as things stand Roglič will prepare his TdF as per the Bora pre-season plan & Pog is also training for his Giro-Tour double attempt according to his plans as well.

It would be amazing tbh (especially the final ITT if the race is still undecided).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Chance of internal struglles in UAE for "letting the road decide" come the Tour?

I mean, packing a team with four GT contenders made sense when Vingo and a packed JV were in the game.

The problem will be Ayuso. Yates was bought to be a domestique of Pogacar. Almeida will eventually lose time and will work for Pogacar. The question is Ayuso, I don't think he is willing to pull for Pogacar.
Another thing very important is who will work for these guys in flat sections?
Pogacar
Ayuso
Soler
Yates
Sivakov
Almeida
It will be Politt and Wellens?
Wellens is always crashing and doesn't tolerate extreme heat.
If I was the one deciding, I would leave Soler and Wellens at home and bring Laengen and Bjerg

 

[saunaking]

Since we are already awarding him the Giro-Tour double, should he go to the Vuelta too?
Kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity

 

[Peyroteo94]

Since we are already awarding him the Giro-Tour double, should he go to the Vuelta too?
Kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity

After these horrific crashes, I'm just hoping to see him healthy after Liege. Let him win the Giro first.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Rog is fine.

I feel a Rog versus Pog situation would be something too good to be true... so I'd rather not project that far ahead yet.

But sure as things stand Roglič will prepare his TdF as per the Bora pre-season plan & Pog is also training for his Giro-Tour double attempt according to his plans as well.

It would be amazing tbh (especially the final ITT if the race is still undecided).

Too early to call it. Skeletor can still have good enough preparations and show the world who's the strongest (when Grischa says the password)

EDIT: I didn't know about further contusions of Vingo, well that makes things more difficult for him.

 

[Nick2413]

The problem will be Ayuso. Yates was bought to be a domestique of Pogacar. Almeida will eventually lose time and will work for Pogacar. The question is Ayuso, I don't think he is willing to pull for Pogacar.
Another thing very important is who will work for these guys in flat sections?
Pogacar
Ayuso
Soler
Yates
Sivakov
Almeida
It will be Politt and Wellens?
Wellens is always crashing and doesn't tolerate extreme heat.
If I was the one deciding, I would leave Soler and Wellens at home and bring Laengen and Bjerg

What is the TT situation in Giro? Ayuso may gain time on anything flat. It will not be the same as Kuss gaining minutes, but the competition will also be weaker so if not pushed, Ayuso could end up staying in the lead a long time.

 

[sam6]

Since we are already awarding him the Giro-Tour double, should he go to the Vuelta too?
Kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity

No. He doesn't want to ruin his preparations for the Worlds, where he will be the favourite. Triple crown is Giro + Tour + Worlds. Plus he has never done 2 GTs in a year so why would you do 3 for the first time?

 

[TrekCyclist]

Since we are already awarding him the Giro-Tour double, should he go to the Vuelta too?
Kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity

Not sure what to hope for tbh. I hope he does not press too hard this year and eventually destoys his health at the age of 25. There are athlethes who did attempt too much and were never the same after (or at least for a very long time) - Peter Reid and Thomas Hellriegel for example.

 

[Peyroteo94]

What is the TT situation in Giro? Ayuso may gain time on anything flat. It will not be the same as Kuss gaining minutes, but the competition will also be weaker so if not pushed, Ayuso could end up staying in the lead a long time.

Pogacar is better than Ayuso in any TT. But we have Galibier already in stage 4, that will be crucial to Ayuso. If he looses time to Pogacar, team will order him to be a dom.

 

[Rackham]

Too early to call it. Skeletor can still have good enough preparations and show the world who's the strongest (when Grischa says the password)

EDIT: I didn't know about further contusions of Vingo, well that makes things more difficult for him.

I have to say it would be delirious if Vingegaard actually crushed the TdF 2024 after yesterday.

In terms of 'performance' it would even dwarf Combloux. Then world would know who the strongest is... & his 'rivals' (what rivals lol) could then simply quit & refuse to race against him. But I don't see it. I think Vingegaard's Tour is totally kaput. The same injuries (thereabouts) happened to Alaphilippe in Liège a couple of years ago & he came back after two months... but was nowhere near his prior level.

So not even Vingegaard can brush this off & be at his usual level. It's annoying as well, i.e. there will always be people saying "if Vingegaard was fit he'd be winning bla bla bla". But hey, that's part of this sport I suppose.

 

[Nick2413]

Pogacar is better than Ayuso in any TT. But we have Galibier already in stage 4, that will be crucial to Ayuso. If he looses time to Pogacar, team will order him to be a dom.

I know Pogacar has great TTs in July but overall I think Ayuso is better on flatter TTs at this point. Maybe I’m wrong though.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar is better than Ayuso in any TT. But we have Galibier already in stage 4, that will be crucial to Ayuso. If he looses time to Pogacar, team will order him to be a dom.

Under normal circumstances Ayuso would have no chance against fierce accelerations by Vingo and Pog so the team hierarchy would be set quickly. This year is different though - Vingo may not be the ultimate rival this time and Pog probably won't be 100% strong (due to the Giro).

 

[Sciatic]

Oh no, they killed @mou

How completely unsurprising once he started calling out moderators and directly calling people trolls. I liked his input, but he let us down with his chosen communication style. Too bad.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I know Pogacar has great TTs in July but overall I think Ayuso is better on flatter TTs at this point. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Pogacar doesn't do a flat TT (peak shape or close to peak shape) since 2022. He is better than Ayuso and he will prove that with this new and improved equipment for TT.

 

[yaf]

Before getting too excited about the double pog needs to fully concentrate on winning giro first. That race is crash prone. Contador Froome roglic all hit the deck there. I just hope everyone goes to the tour in decent shape🤞

 

[Rackham]

Its a none subject for everyone else vingegaard is not even close to pogacar we dont even bother

I'm not sure I understand.

Vingegaard put 7 minutes into Pog last summer, i.e. obviously Pog's entire preparation (physically, mentally & tactically) for the TdF is now based on overcoming the current TdF defending champ.

If we're talking about riders aiming to win the Tour (Pog or anyone else, like Rog or Evenepoel as well), then Vingegaard is evidently part of the conversation. How could he not be? He's been smashing the race for two years in a row.

And his crash yesterday likely changed everything.

 

[yaf]

I'm not sure I understand.

Vingegaard put 7 minutes into Pog last summer, i.e. obviously Pog's entire preparation (physically, mentally & tactically) for the TdF is now based on overcoming the current TdF defending champ.

If we're talking about riders aiming to win the Tour (Pog or anyone else, like Rog or Evenepoel as well), then Vingegaard is evidently part of the conversation. How could he not be? He's been smashing the race for two years in a row.

And his crash yesterday likely changed everything.

Mate, dont get me started with ur 7 minute fantasy. Even if i dont like to get someone injured you will see how a broken bone takes everything out of a cyclist when competing in the biggest race in the world everyday full gas and we will talk what a gap is like in nice.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=balpncmxDxI

 

[tobydawq]

How completely unsurprising once he started calling out moderators and directly calling people trolls. I liked his input, but he let us down with his chosen communication style. Too bad.

This isn't his first ban, he'll probably be back tomorrow.