Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[velaso montador]

Before getting too excited about the double pog needs to fully concentrate on winning giro first. That race is crash prone. Contador Froome roglic all hit the deck there. I just hope everyone goes to the tour in decent shape🤞

i remember a time where every single british rider had a curse on the giro. It certaintly is slippery, different kind of roads too there.

 

[Gigs_98]

I'm feeling the urge to search for comments from a year ago when some Pogi fans were complaining how anyone dared to compare Vingegaard to Pogacar because clearly Pogacar had only lost the Tour because of the outlier stage to the Granon and somethink like that would never happen again. Perhaps the people from a year ago weren't quite as...let's call it outspoken, as some people are now. But it was strikingly similar.

 

[scribers]

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Pretty sure multiple user accounts is a bannable offense.

Inaccurately accusing others of using multiple accounts should also be bannable by that standard.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Huh... this thread has become obnoxious...

 

[scribers]

Depending on forum software, mods usually have easy access to IP's and can easily sus out people posting between different accounts. Which makes having to read non-moderator accusers tedious.

 

[Lequack]

He's training with his girlfriend

"The best cyclist in the world, Tadej Pogačar, training in Güéjar Sierra and Sierra Nevada. It shows that he knows.Tadej, we wish you all the luck in the Giro and the Tour and we hope you are in La Vuelta."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776250090392347074

View: https://twitter.com/guejarsierra_/status/1776250090392347074

 

[scribers]

Before getting too excited about the double pog needs to fully concentrate on winning giro first. That race is crash prone. Contador Froome roglic all hit the deck there. I just hope everyone goes to the tour in decent shape🤞

Italian roads still an oily slop? I have no recent knowledge. This used to be a thing 20 years ago

 

[sam6]

If Roglic is his main rival then it completely changes the dynamic of the Tour! Vs Vingegaard Pogi is the better sprinter and more explosive, but Vingegaard is better on the longer climbs. Roglic is on a par with Pogi in terms of sprinting but I suspect won't be able to stick with Pogi on the longer climbs. This will mean Pogi can safely race his preferred attacking style, whereas with Vingo you worry by doing that he is just making the race harder and favouring Vingo

 

[yaf]

Italian roads still an oily slop? I have no recent knowledge. This used to be a thing 20 years ago

The pbm is its 15 days raining out of 21. There is pretty damn chance u hit the deck at least once

 

[Red Rick]

I'm feeling the urge to search for comments from a year ago when some Pogi fans were complaining how anyone dared to compare Vingegaard to Pogacar because clearly Pogacar had only lost the Tour because of the outlier stage to the Granon and somethink like that would never happen again. Perhaps the people from a year ago weren't quite as...let's call it outspoken, as some people are now. But it was strikingly similar.

Big difference between post hoc argumentation when a rider gives no indicator of not being in great shape other than losing and people expecting Vingegaard to not be able to be in great shape for the Tour cause he's heavily injured including injuries to the resporatory system.

 

[Gigs_98]

Big difference between post hoc argumentation when a rider gives no indicator of not being in great shape other than losing and people expecting Vingegaard to not be able to be in great shape for the Tour cause he's heavily injured including injuries to the resporatory system.

Oh I think Vingegaard's crash makes Pogacar winning the Tour way more likely. But I wrote my comment in reference to people who wrote that last year the only reason Pogacar didn't win was his LBL crash and that without it he would have smoked Vingegaard.

 

[Blanco]

He's training with his girlfriend

"The best cyclist in the world, Tadej Pogačar, training in Güéjar Sierra and Sierra Nevada. It shows that he knows.Tadej, we wish you all the luck in the Giro and the Tour and we hope you are in La Vuelta."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776250090392347074

View: https://twitter.com/guejarsierra_/status/1776250090392347074

The best cyclist in the world is officially Vingegaard, undeservedly though...
The best was Van Der Poel.
Tadej was the best way back in 2021.

 

[Blanco]

Mate, dont get me started with ur 7 minute fantasy. Even if i dont like to get someone injured you will see how a broken bone takes everything out of a cyclist when competing in the biggest race in the world everyday full gas and we will talk what a gap is like in nice.

Can't remember broken bones at Tour 2022.

 

[velaso montador]

He's training with his girlfriend

"The best cyclist in the world, Tadej Pogačar, training in Güéjar Sierra and Sierra Nevada. It shows that he knows.Tadej, we wish you all the luck in the Giro and the Tour and we hope you are in La Vuelta."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776250090392347074

View: https://twitter.com/guejarsierra_/status/1776250090392347074

Nice post, it looked like a blast. After that Strade showcase which was another record all time, blew everyones mind its just business as usual for this once in a lifetime guy.

Inc monument nr.6 surely on the way.

 

[KZD]

The best cyclist in the world is officially Vingegaard, undeservedly though...
The best was Van Der Poel.
Tadej was the best way back in 2021.

Interesting how someone that claims Valverde was better than Contador, says that Van der Poel was the best last year and that the last time that Pogačar was the best was in 2021...

 

[Salvarani]

Big difference between post hoc argumentation when a rider gives no indicator of not being in great shape other than losing and people expecting Vingegaard to not be able to be in great shape for the Tour cause he's heavily injured including injuries to the resporatory system.

Because it makes sense to declare "I may not be in great shape" right before going into the biggest race of the season? That would be bad strategy and rivals would smell blood immediately and sure did on one of the very first hard climbs in the race.... he also had personal problems at this stage behind the scenes going on affecting him.

Yourself going around calling him a "luck merchant" is such poor taste and blatantly trolling, right after Vingegaard has suffered these injuries.

You done this multiple times and you do it as a former mod... we can just shake our heads about it.

You are not better than anyone else and calling it "big difference" is laughable, especially coming from you.

 

[velaso montador]

Because it makes sense to declare "I may not be in great shape" right before going into the biggest race of the season? That would be bad strategy and rivals would smell blood immediately and sure did on one of the very first hard climbs in the race.... he also had personal problems at this stage behind the scenes going on affecting him.

Yourself going around calling him a "luck merchant" is such poor taste and blatantly trolling, right after Vingegaard has suffered these injuries.

You done this multiple times and you do it as a former mod... we can just shake our heads about it.

You are not better than anyone else and calling it "big difference" is laughable, especially coming from you.

Pogacar even said several times during the tour he rode with pain, rest day and multiple other times aswell. Its poor taste indeed nothing else. But if you for some reason dont like his dominance i guess you take what you can and go with it.

 

[velaso montador]

I however agree hes a luck merchant.

His genes are not really fair towards anyone else and why hes so ridiculous much better than anyone else he even manage to go toe to toe with Vdp in his domain and hes arguably the best flandern rider of all time says it all.

He definetely is a luck merchant in that department, genes i see so many riders mention it in interview to the point if hes at the start the result is inevitable kinda feeling, thats not normal.

 

[Froome]

Pogacar even said several times during the tour he rode with pain, rest day and multiple other times aswell. Its poor taste indeed nothing else. But if you for some reason dont like his dominance i guess you take what you can and go with it.

We saw the agony and the pain of Pogacar when he was doing backflips to the pool in the rest day.

 

[velaso montador]

We saw the agony and the pain of Pogacar when he was doing backflips to the pool in the rest day.

You did, i did too

You also heard what the man said from his own mouth im not sure why you neglect that. He said that long before he lost and you know this too, but i guess you dont focus on that. But you know better than him if he rode with pain or not? For me thats drawing your own narrative and run with it and not facts from what we know and for me only atleast very telling in itself or atleast poor taste whoever it might be not only pogacar.

Its a slippery sloop and poor taste whoever you like pogacar or anyone else to neglect riders trying their best even tho they was not at their best, this is the same for vingegaard, Remco, Roglic, Contador, Pogacar or Valverde and whoever it may be your favourite rider or not objectively facts are still facts and shouldnt be used for your own narrative which you might prefer.. Anyway thats just my opinion on it.

 

[Blanco]

Interesting how someone that claims Valverde was better than Contador, says that Van der Poel was the best last year and that the last time that Pogačar was the best was in 2021...

What is so interesting in that?

 

[TrekCyclist]

Imho both Pogacar and Vingegaard are very giftet regarding their genes. Both complete outlieres. Who is more gifted, one can argue for ages about. It seems both also have a similar work/training attitude. And mental strength, although they come across as very different types of personalities.

 

[velaso montador]

Imho both Pogacar and Vingegaard are very giftet regarding their genes. Both complete outlieres. Who is more gifted, one can argue for ages about. It seems both also have a similar work/training attitude. And mental strength, although they come across as very different types of personalities.

I myself dont even think vingegaard is close, hes not even 2 within the peleton.

Hes not more talented then Remco even. Obv not saying Vingegaard is not gifted ofc he is but not too that level, hes very limited/niche, for instance hes ridden 6 monuments not even close to beeing competetive.(that beeing said pls dont take it the wrong way Vingegaard is super talented im not saying hes not talented.)

For me even Remco is a overall better cyclist easily and closer to beeing compared to Pogacar.

I believe objectively you could even argue his lieutenant Van Aert even is a bigger star within cycling and more talented.

But if you wanne compare riders to Pogacar noone in the peleton will due yet atleast, objectively you have to go with riders like Indurain, Merckx at this point simply from what hes doing across everything already which we havent seen since the likes of Merckx, indurain and the other legends of the sport.

 

[KZD]

What is so interesting in that?

Valverde was a generalist rider that did better in rankings than in individual awards while Contador was a stage race specialist that did better in awards than rankings - You think Valverde was better.

Pogačar is a generalist rider that so far is doing better in rankings than in individual awards while Van der Poel is a classics specialist who is doing better in awards than rankings - You think Van der Poel was better last year.

While I wouldn't have minded if Van der Poel had won the Velo d'Or last year because he never won it and did a legendary classics campaign, it seems incoherent to me that you claim Van der Poel was better than Pogačar because from a results standpoint its actually the opposite.

 

[tobydawq]

Valverde was a generalist rider that did better in rankings than in individual awards while Contador was a stage race specialist that did better in awards than rankings - You think Valverde was better.

Pogačar is a generalist rider that so far is doing better in rankings than in individual awards while Van der Poel is a classics specialist who is doing better in awards than rankings - You think Van der Poel was better last year.

While I wouldn't have minded if Van der Poel had won the Velo d'Or last year because he never won it and did a legendary classics campaign, it seems incoherent to me that you claim Van der Poel was better than Pogačar because from a results standpoint its actually the opposite.

Yes, Pogačar and Valverde are 1:1 the same.