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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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We saw the agony and the pain of Pogacar when he was doing backflips to the pool in the rest day.
You did, i did too :)

You also heard what the man said from his own mouth im not sure why you neglect that. He said that long before he lost and you know this too, but i guess you dont focus on that. But you know better than him if he rode with pain or not? For me thats drawing your own narrative and run with it and not facts from what we know and for me only atleast very telling in itself or atleast poor taste whoever it might be not only pogacar.

Its a slippery sloop and poor taste whoever you like pogacar or anyone else to neglect riders trying their best even tho they was not at their best, this is the same for vingegaard, Remco, Roglic, Contador, Pogacar or Valverde and whoever it may be your favourite rider or not objectively facts are still facts and shouldnt be used for your own narrative which you might prefer.. Anyway thats just my opinion on it.
 
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Imho both Pogacar and Vingegaard are very giftet regarding their genes. Both complete outlieres. Who is more gifted, one can argue for ages about. It seems both also have a similar work/training attitude. And mental strength, although they come across as very different types of personalities.
 
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Imho both Pogacar and Vingegaard are very giftet regarding their genes. Both complete outlieres. Who is more gifted, one can argue for ages about. It seems both also have a similar work/training attitude. And mental strength, although they come across as very different types of personalities.
I myself dont even think vingegaard is close, hes not even 2 within the peleton.

Hes not more talented then Remco even. Obv not saying Vingegaard is not gifted ofc he is but not too that level, hes very limited/niche, for instance hes ridden 6 monuments not even close to beeing competetive.(that beeing said pls dont take it the wrong way Vingegaard is super talented im not saying hes not talented.)

For me even Remco is a overall better cyclist easily and closer to beeing compared to Pogacar.

I believe objectively you could even argue his lieutenant Van Aert even is a bigger star within cycling and more talented.

But if you wanne compare riders to Pogacar noone in the peleton will due yet atleast, objectively you have to go with riders like Indurain, Merckx at this point simply from what hes doing across everything already which we havent seen since the likes of Merckx, indurain and the other legends of the sport.
 
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What is so interesting in that?

Valverde was a generalist rider that did better in rankings than in individual awards while Contador was a stage race specialist that did better in awards than rankings - You think Valverde was better.

Pogačar is a generalist rider that so far is doing better in rankings than in individual awards while Van der Poel is a classics specialist who is doing better in awards than rankings - You think Van der Poel was better last year.

While I wouldn't have minded if Van der Poel had won the Velo d'Or last year because he never won it and did a legendary classics campaign, it seems incoherent to me that you claim Van der Poel was better than Pogačar because from a results standpoint its actually the opposite.
 
Valverde was a generalist rider that did better in rankings than in individual awards while Contador was a stage race specialist that did better in awards than rankings - You think Valverde was better.

Pogačar is a generalist rider that so far is doing better in rankings than in individual awards while Van der Poel is a classics specialist who is doing better in awards than rankings - You think Van der Poel was better last year.

While I wouldn't have minded if Van der Poel had won the Velo d'Or last year because he never won it and did a legendary classics campaign, it seems incoherent to me that you claim Van der Poel was better than Pogačar because from a results standpoint its actually the opposite.
Yes, Pogačar and Valverde are 1:1 the same.
 
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Valverde was a generalist rider that did better in rankings than in individual awards while Contador was a stage race specialist that did better in awards than rankings - You think Valverde was better.

Pogačar is a generalist rider that so far is doing better in rankings than in individual awards while Van der Poel is a classics specialist who is doing better in awards than rankings - You think Van der Poel was better last year.

While I wouldn't have minded if Van der Poel had won the Velo d'Or last year because he never won it and did a legendary classics campaign, it seems incoherent to me that you claim Van der Poel was better than Pogačar because from a results standpoint its actually the opposite.
I was responding about who the best rider in the world is, and took last year's results as a parameter.
Van Der Poel gets my vote. I gave him the edge over Pogacar, and then Vingegaard.
In 2022. Remco Evenepoel was the best rider, again over Pogacar.
In 2021. it was Pogacar.
I really can't see what Valverde and Contador has to do with that. There were years where Valverde was better, and there were years where it was opposite. Overall I value Valverde a tiny bit higher, but that's strictly my opinion. Just like overall I value Pogacar's career higher than Vingegaard's or Van Der Poel's. But as I said, last time he was clearly the best rider in the world, was 2021. Last two season's there was someone better than him imo.
That's all.
 
But if you wanne compare riders to Pogacar noone in the peleton will due yet atleast, objectively you have to go with riders like Indurain, Merckx at this point simply from what hes doing across everything already which we havent seen since the likes of Merckx, indurain and the other legends of the sport.
I don't know... Maybe more like Gimondi and Rominger. They both were capable of winning monuments and GT's, but there was always someone stronger.
 
Obv not saying Vingegaard is not gifted ofc he is but not too that level, hes very limited/niche
I know this should rather go into the Vingo-Thread, but I am really curious now:

What is the limited niche of Vingo's talent / abilities exactely:

Is it his climbing abilities, on mid/long climbs, with W/kg numbers hardly second to anybody else in history? (not only once but since almost 3 years now)

Or is it his TTs when in peak shape? (his Combloux performance widely regarded as the best since Indurain 1993 in Luxembourg / Ullrich 1997 in Saint-Etienne)

Or is it his recovery abilities and stamina in 3 week GTs, and ability to perform top in any weather conditions?

Not to mentions other things like bike handeling / downhill etc....
 
I know this should rather go into the Vingo-Thread, but I am really curious now:

What is the limited niche of Vingo's talent / abilities exactely:

Is it his climbing abilities, on mid/long climbs, with W/kg numbers hardly second to anybody else in history? (not only once but since almost 3 years now)

Or is it his TTs when in peak shape? (his Combloux performance widely regarded as the best since Indurain 1993 in Luxembourg / Ullrich 1997 in Saint-Etienne)

Or is it his recovery abilities and stamina in 3 week GTs, and ability to perform top in any weather conditions?

Not to mentions other things like bike handeling / downhill etc....
For me it is his recovery. He wasn't better than Pogacar until stage 16 last year and normally people underestimate Pogacar's w/kg because he isn't 66kg when he is in Tour's shape (@Froome the other day put an article showing Quintana at 59 59 when he was in tour's shape and that is just BS and not true at all. Quintana was something like 55/54 kg when he was runner up in the 2015 Tour). So in terms of w/kg, they are very similar and I think the difference is really the fantastic way Vingegaard can recover.
 
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