Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[RedheadDane]

'It's just a pretty simple test' – Tour de France leader Tadej Pogačar confirms use of carbon monoxide rebreather

Slovenian says he doesn't know mystery message board user 'Mou,' says leaked training information is 'mostly wrong'

www.cyclingnews.com

Just to clarify:

It's not like we're breathing exhaust pipes every day in the cars.

 

[scribers]

What is this - a kindergarten? Yes, this is the only thing that matters if you're a 13 yo fanboy. The rest of us fans also want to know when we are being fed ***.

Let me put it like this: You can either say Pog will destroy Vinge or you can say Vinge is going to destroy Pog. There is a certain chance you are going to be right which doesn't prove anything in any way you knew it as there's a high chance you just guessed it.

I thought you weren’t interested in talking about mou. Why do you keep talking about mou?

 

[topt]

But his numbers aren't correct, the greatest irony of his claims are that he severely underestimated the level Pogacar (and Vingegaard) would be at. The performance is why everyone has been scrambling around to try and find a non-nefarious explanation, and what led people outside the forum to this thread to search for one;





If Pogacar was at the level Mou described, he would've lost several minutes.

I am quite sure he said Pog did 8,5w/kg for 12min before Strade Bianche

 

[scribers]

Over the past two days, meanwhile, social media has been abuzz with talk of Pogačar's changed 2024 training regime thanks to the posts of a mysterious figure called 'Mou' that appeared on the Cyclingnews forum earlier in the year.

Dear cycling news.

You got outscooped by yourself. Playing hoist to your own petard!

Signed,
Scribers

 

[Lequack]

Mou is now in the news too:

TDF. Tour de France - Pogacar : «Mou ? Essayons ensemble de trouver qui il est ?»

Tadej Pogacar a déclaré mercredi qu'il n'avait «aucune idée» de qui était le mystérieux internaute qui, données &agra

www.cyclismactu.net

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[lenric]

with the decline of jose mourinho's career I initially thought "Mou" was actually him

 

[scribers]

I am quite sure he said Pog did 8,5w/kg for 12min before Strade Bianche

After a 4 hrs hard ride

 

[Peyroteo94]

I am quite sure he said Pog did 8,5w/kg for 12min before Strade Bianche

In a e-bike

 

[Tonton]

Somwhow I would like to know how good is Pogacar compared to previous years. Unfortunately without a 100% Jonas, it is hard to know. I only know his true level when he is racing against MVP (north classics) or Vingegaard (Stage races), if these 2 aren't in the race, Pogacar can destroy the field even if he is racing at 95%.

No it's not hard to know: he's at 100%, the best that he has ever been. With a Giro in the legs. It's 100% Pogacar. Reflecting on himself making a stupid attack, but because he can, he does...

 

[topt]

In a e-bike

for 12 min the best rider in history I believe it

 

[BubbaChuck]

pog vo2 max 98.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Pogacar & Vingegaard average power on climbs on stage 15 was around 6.0 w/kg for 2h20' according to Manuel Sola Arjona.lmaoo,thats crazy.
https://x.com/arjona_manu

 

[proffate]

It's more like he was on spot with the numbers apparently. And also did say stuff Pogacar confirmed about training if I understand correctly those who have quoted and wittnessed him. I mean that's the only reason I think that mou became a thing on the internet outside of this forum. Enough so that Pogi was asked a question about him and answered knowledgeable.

was he? please cite direct evidence, not "apparently" (favorite first word for a tiktok). From what I have seen, he just made up numbers, and we don't even know Pog's real present-day numbers anyway.

 

[scribers]

He was off on pogis weight by a half a kilo on the remco side. Apparently pogis camp figured out he go go a little lower and maintain power. So mou was a little low on his total effective power output quotes compared to actual. But it was still the winter at that time.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

was he? please cite direct evidence, not "apparently" (favorite first word for a tiktok). From what I have seen, he just made up numbers, and we don't even know Pog's real present-day numbers anyway.

See when you're outside tiktok apparently just means apparently, it gives an indication of the epistemic position from which one speaks you know. I didn't want to convince you of anything, I merely pointed out that it seems a little more complex than just saying "he will get better!" about a still young rider.
I am agnostic about the entire mou thing, but even Pogacar has an opinion on this supposed "insider", as mentioned. But you can of course dismiss the option entirely that he knew something and think he just guessed what the estimations would be. I don't know how his his and mit ration was, or is, neither have I the time to look it up, or the motivation to. Yet the fact remains, that people started to turn his "prophecy" into a possible explanation for what happened on Sunday. Not because he just screamed "Pogi is gonna be so much stronger than Skeletor, there's gonna be so much winning! So much follks! You've never seen so much winning in your life!". but because of detailed postings by mou.

 

[scribers]

RIP Peyote. We'll keep the light on for you

 

[scribers]

Somwhow I would like to know how good is Pogacar compared to previous years. Unfortunately without a 100% Jonas, it is hard to know. I only know his true level when he is racing against MVP (north classics) or Vingegaard (Stage races), if these 2 aren't in the race, Pogacar can destroy the field even if he is racing at 95%.

We haven’t seen the rebuilt pogi against mvp except
For LBL, which doesn’t count. And ciciban msr which doesn’t count a lot either

 

[Salvarani]

RIP Peyote. We'll keep the light on for you

And snipeheem.

Both forever in our hearts.

 

[Oldermanish]

[[content deleted]] The rest of us fans also want to know when we are being fed ***.

Let me put it like this: You can either say Pog will destroy Vinge or you can say Vinge is going to destroy Pog. There is a certain chance you are going to be right which doesn't prove anything in any way you knew it as there's a high chance you just guessed it.

isn't this a post from 4 weeks ago? Sounds similar to what someone else said which is nonsense layered with conjecture and a sugar coating of shiny bullsh*t. Anyway it is totally relevant in current fanboy context.

 

[Oldermanish]

I was amused when I saw the carbon monoxide test as something controversial. It's a decades old allergy test where you can have various aerosol steroid inhalers administered to see how you respond. At least that was what the Doc put me through. The test was not represented as anything other than a response analytical tool.
In the end I wasn't interested in the 'roids because I had to get a TUE for an inhaler I never used which didn't help anyway a year before.
The Doc then suggested that the fledgling hormone replacement industry would restore "even playing field" performance. Never blinked when I asked if that was UCI legal. Turned out masters racers from local to National used them.
For what it's worth I got three retroactive race wins when guys beating me got busted and 'fessed up to the period of exposure to avoid longer bans.
I quit racing not long after.

 

[bNator]

isn't this a post from 4 weeks ago? Sounds similar to what someone else said which is nonsense layered with conjecture and a sugar coating of shiny bullsh*t. Anyway it is totally relevant in current fanboy context.

I don’t even know what you are trying to say. What is relevant?

 

[Oldermanish]

I don’t even know what you are trying to say. What is relevant?

It's a joke on a joke. What you said was an echo of what either polarity of fan was projecting.
I'm never sure what age or exposure of cycling fan is posting since it's either Armageddon level destruction of opposing riders or painful microwattage analysis of prospective gaming outcomes.
I totally agree with you as we are having fun guessing. I like my prognostications with a glass or two....tonight.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Pogacar & Vingegaard average power on climbs on stage 15 was around 6.0 w/kg for 2h20' according to Manuel Sola Arjona.lmaoo,thats crazy.
https://x.com/arjona_manu

i remember louis delahaye on gesink years back, somewhere late 2000/early 2010in a program declaring gesinks power of about 6.1 w/kg for 20 being world class. Right now you'd be in the grupetto with that

 

[Red Rick]

Mou becoming a minor internet celebrity is absolutely hilarious. This is probably the most attention this forum has gotten since I've been around. If I wasn't about to go to bed I'd strongly consider making a Mou thread since we've reached a point where there is a completely seperate discussion about how the world is catching onto him. So if someone else wants to I'd appreciate it. Maybe this is all a very stupid topic but it's honestly the funniest thing that has happened to this forum in a while.

I'm waiting for Thijs Zonneveld to call me tbh

 

[Red Rick]

i remember louis delahaye on gesink years back, somewhere late 2000/early 2010in a program declaring gesinks power of about 6.1 w/kg for 20 being world class. Right now you'd be in the grupetto with that

I found training data in some scientific paper that lined up with Nibali's 2014 Tour win, as well as Carapaz, Landa and Chaves and they were all 6.5 for 20 in training at least. Nibali was closer to 6.8 IIRC.

I don't believe 6.1 for 20 was ever considered high in training.