Eddy Merckx would like to freshen up your memory.Little known fact: once a multiple TDF winner loses, they very rarely ever win it again.
I can only think of Hinault off the top of my head.
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Eddy Merckx would like to freshen up your memory.Little known fact: once a multiple TDF winner loses, they very rarely ever win it again.
I can only think of Hinault off the top of my head.
This is just meaningless stats with tiny sample size and from days that are barely relevant to todays cycling.
Eddy Merckx would like to freshen up your memory.
ok.And I would like to freshen up yours. Merckx never won the TDF again after Thevenet stopped his string at five. He did not compete in 1973.
Your welcome.
On the side, I find it funny that even such an innocuous anecdotal post can make posters react so strongly and…incorrectly.
And I would like to freshen up yours. Merckx never won the TDF again after Thevenet stopped his string at five. He did not compete in 1973.
Your welcome.
On the side, I find it funny that even such an innocuous anecdotal post can make posters react so strongly and…incorrectly.
Are you sure that’s not what you wanted to read into my post? I don’t believe I said that this was an absolute rule that had never been broken. It’s just interesting, I think. I was simply pointing out a little known fact, that’s all. And that Pog may want to strike as long as the iron is hot. Particularly since the TDF weighs so disproportionally in a riders career. Early yet, but Pog also has a shot at being the all time record holder
I grant you that Pog is likely to be a different case simply because he is so young. However he may not want to miss on every opportunity available to him. Merckx still rues that he stayed away from the 1973 TDF to this day. Ask Froome in a few years if he doesn’t rue not trading in one of his greatest victories in the Giro for fifth Tour de France?
Yes, Fignon lost by just 8 seconds.
But he lost.
That is the exact nature of the anecdote.
Little known fact: once a multiple TDF winner loses, they very rarely ever win it again.
On the Watts Occurring podcast, Froome said that his Giro win is the one he is proudest of of all his wins.
I think you're looking at the world a little too much TdF-centrically.
Isn't this kind of meaningless - every multiple time Tour winner will at some point stop winning it and unless they don't ride the tour again after their final victory (only Maes and Coppi have done this) they fulfil your criteria.
Even if we take all 20 multiple time winners (leaving Pog out of it), 11 of them (Anquetil, Hinault, Froome, Thys, Lambot, Leducq, Magne, Maes, Bartali, Coppi, Thevenet) lost a Tour de France that they entered between their first and last victories, so even if this statistic has any meaning it shows that it is indeed very common for a multiple time Tour de France winner to lose a Tour and come back to win again.
I think age is the most likely reason for most of those multiple winners never won again, and they had a natural decline. With someone new taking over.
Sure, Pog might never win the Tour again. But it probably wouldnt be because of that reason, already.
Isn't this kind of meaningless - every multiple time Tour winner will at some point stop winning it and unless they don't ride the tour again after their final victory (only Maes and Coppi have done this) they fulfil your criteria.
What is Pogacar's program between now and Il Lombardia?
not winning again after your final win does not preclude winning at least once more after being defeated.
but it is rare, clearly.
now what if you take away the "multiple" part of the equation.
now you only have 11 previous winners in the entire history of the TDF who have managed to win again after being beaten...
in other words...all those single winners have (obviously) never been able to repeat once they then get defeated.
will bernal break that, i wonder?
I think a bigger mark against him is the history of star youth riders. Those who come in and compete at such a high level when they’re young. Countless times we say wait until they’re older and improve when in their prime but most fade when older as they were in their prime at that young age. He is a different case in that he is already one of the best climber and TT and doesn’t have to improve in areas like other youth riders.Notwithstanding a vengeful former ski jumper, Tadej Pogacar's biggest rival is himself.
It's a cliché at this point, but in his case, it's valid, i.e. he's only 22 years old. He's barely an adult. Throw a huge contract into that, life's usual dose of distractions (especially for a star) & the idea a professional bike rider can remain dominant in the Tour de France (with all the sacrifices required to maintain that level of fitness) until he's 30+ seems totally remote.
It's one thing for guys like Ronaldo & Messi to maintain that level (because football is a different sort of sport), but pro bike racing is so gruelling & so demanding, we usually don't see sustained periods of dominance (hence why 5 in a row is the current record, Lance excluded).
b) Yes
a) What he really needs is 1st MTF on Etna + 40 kms od hilly TT + MTT in the third week. And not much climbing above 2800.
I think a bigger mark against him is the history of star youth riders. Those who come in and compete at such a high level when they’re young. Countless times we say wait until they’re older and improve when in their prime but most fade when older as they were in their prime at that young age. He is a different case in that he is already one of the best climber and TT and doesn’t have to improve in areas like other youth riders.
That’s a fair point but me personally I would rather win dominating than close or scraping by. Sure the later is more entertaining and gives you more of a rush but having a bigger buffer in my opinion is more rewarding.And I don't know whether that's a plus or a negative, i.e. at least with the riders who needed to improve something, they could remain grounded & focused on that. With Pogacar, he just dominates everything.
And IMO he needs Roglic & Bernal. But especially Roglic, i.e. too many Tours like the 2021 edition (i.e. with a 5 minute lead overall) won't do his motivation much good. If that sort of demolition continues, he's going to need to adopt a Michael Schumacher type mindset where domination for the sake of domination becomes his goal (but that of course comes with its own downside, i.e. such sportsmen become unpopular real fast). And something else to consider is the fact past Tour de France "dominators" like Indurain (& yes) Lance had time against them, i.e. their battle for 5 Tour wins at the time was waged partially against opponents... but mostly against their own body clock ticking the years away.
Pogacar has no such concern.