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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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I wonder if he is the fastest ever to 1000 CQ points in a season. He has 1076 after today.

EDIT: Well, this season certainly isn't the fastest ever. He did it on March 19th last year.

EDIT 2: I think Pogacar's 2022 and 2023 are the fastest-ever to 1000 CQ points. Boonen did it a couple of times by April 1st and April 2nd, but I haven't anyone else who did it faster.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Very impressive ride by Teddy today, reminiscent of last year's Flandres. He has a great shot at top3 in Flandres but by now he must have realized that beating the two big boys from the north in their playground is very difficult. If he wants to win he has to do it alone - easier said than done.
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Yes, and he seemed to know this with his two accelerations in the last 5/10k or so that got him nowhere. I am hoping that races like this are a good school for him on how he can win against this field. He was out of position a couple of times too, noticeably when VDP did his first big attack. You have to make him third favourite for next week simply because he will need to drop both the vans.
 
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Today just continues to show that Pogacar is the best all-rounder road cyclist right now. He's the only rider at the moment who could challenge for GC wins at mountainous stage races and Grand Tours and also challenge for the win at cobbled classics like E3 and RvV. Not to mention, he could also go for the win at hilly classics. Chapeau to him today and also to MVDP and Wout.

Really cheering for Pogacar to win RvV.
 
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Elos Anjos said:
Much love for Pogacar. Incredible panache, attacking style. One of a kind.

Probably no one in this forum remembers the last time a TdF winner is head to head with cobble big boys.

The new (and possible the only) Eddy Merckx.
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Geraint Thomas actually won E3.

Pogacar has yet to exceed him.

Also Bradley Wiggins took a serious shot at Roubaix in 2016
 
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Pantani_lives said:
It's a good thing for cycling that a guy like Pogacar does these cobbled classics. I'm aware that he's already won a race or two in July, but in Flanders he's discovered what real racing is like.
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Yeah, this is the true racing for him. In most stage races he has various options to win: either drop everyone or outsprint everyone. Here none on those works.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Yeah, this is the true racing for him. In most stage races he has various options to win: either drop everyone or outsprint everyone. Here none on those works.
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It might need something crazy like an attack from a long way out, before the usual hills where the difference is made. I’m sure today has gave him and UAE something to think about for next Sunday.
 
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Red Rick said:
Geraint Thomas actually won E3.

Pogacar has yet to exceed him.

Also Bradley Wiggins took a serious shot at Roubaix in 2016
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True, but Thomas wasn't yet a gc rider in 2015. He was already a decent climber, but no more a gc contender than someone like Van Aert is today. Once he focused on gc racing he never again contended on the cobbles.

Wiggins meanwhile completely stopped riding for gc after 2013 and became more of a TT specialist. Also, while he did get a top 10 in PR once, he was never really a force in his attempts there. I feel like if you name him you could just as well name Nibali, who at least had his shot at the Ronde when he was still a gc contender.

So I guess technically you are right that there have been TdF winners near the front of cobbles races, but really, none of those performances compare with Pogacars.
 
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True, but Thomas wasn't yet a gc rider in 2015. He was already a decent climber, but no more a gc contender than someone like Van Aert is today. Once he focused on gc racing he never again contended on the cobbles.

Wiggins meanwhile completely stopped riding for gc after 2013 and became more of a TT specialist. Also, while he did get a top 10 in PR once, he was never really a force in his attempts there. I feel like if you name him you could just as well name Nibali, who at least had his shot at the Ronde when he was still a gc contender.

So I guess technically you are right that there have been TdF winners near the front of cobbles races, but really, none of those performances compare with Pogacars.
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The only way for Thomas to win this race against the top dogs from today would be to fly under the radar, attack at some point and gain advantage before others realize it's too late. Pogacar will never have that luxury - he's the guy, who animates those races and is the most marked man as everybody expects his attack at some point (no matter if it's Poggio or Kwaremont).
 
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It was a good appetizer on whats to come next weekend.

Pog was the only one trying in the end, but was closed down immediately in the finale. Hard to tell how strong the other guys were. Both seemed content with it ending in a sprint and not going for a big attack. Either not having the best day or just wanting to perserve energy for future endeavors.

Ronde will be a tougher race. Maybe a better chance to go solo for Pog. He was very close to drop MVDP last year, by the looks of it. We will see.
 
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Pog was the only one trying in the end,
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What does that even mean? He did what he had to do in order to avoid being beaten into third by the other two. He failed and finished third. Neither of the others needed to escape before the finish, they needed to stop anyone else escaping before the finish. Pog was the only one trying in the end? Who brought him back each time he tried, the magic breakaway pixie? They were all trying.
 
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Very strong but he was going pull for pull on the flats with 2 far superior sprinters for way too long, I think he realised a few K out and decided to throw in some attacks, but you're never dropping them on the flat. Change of approach for De Ronde needed surely, ride the climbs full gas then stop dead if they're still with you at the end maybe, allow a group behind to start coming back and see who blinks first, although I'm not sure his pride would allow it. There is no path to victory in bringing either Van Aert or VDP with him to the line, unfortunately by the time he realised it was too late in the day.
 
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