Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Netserk]

After the Giro he will likely improve the previous rolling-CQ record (which he took in 2022 after Ronde) by 400-500 points. Not impossible either that his score this year will break the rolling record (4006 points).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He said Monte Grappa is very close to Slovenia so we know what will happen on Saturday. Will he do it during the first climb or will he wait?

Yeah, there will be no mercy on Saturday, it seems. He could break Basso's winning margin as the highest in the century but maybe his cautious downhill will reduce the gap.

 

[bNator]

He said Monte Grappa is very close to Slovenia so we know what will happen on Saturday. Will he do it during the first climb or will he wait?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Very low chance he goes the first lap on Grappa

Wait, you don‘t expect an 80 k solo from the top of the first Grappa???

 

[dercuforever]

Wait, you don‘t expect an 80 k solo from the top of the first Grappa???

With a rainjacket on he'll go unnoticed into the early breakaway, podium contenders will probably watch themselves when they'll unravel the trap.
Pog will then take a turn in front on the first slope of Grappa. After 15 elbow gesture with noone showing up to relay him, he'll realize he's alone.
Feeling lonely, he'll crank it up a bit to Z3 in order to prepare a surprise win dinner for his teammates.
What a shock will it be to see that only Majka finished in the timelimit.
Yet, with the cyclamen jersey now his, Pog would sleep well, being able to wear a short of the color of his choice to Rome.

 

[shalgo]

But tbf - that might be the only example in the last 70years. Hinault was only up 3 minutes after two weeks in 1981 (and then won by 14 minutes).

I’m a bit late to the discussion, but wanted to point out this one:

Tour de France 1994 Stage 14 results

Rolf Sørensen is the winner of Tour de France 1994 Stage 14, before Neil Stephens and Rolf Järmann. Miguel Indurain was leader in GC.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[dazaau]

With a rainjacket on he'll go unnoticed into the early breakaway, podium contenders will probably watch themselves when they'll unravel the trap.
Pog will then take a turn in front on the first slope of Grappa. After 15 elbow gesture with noone showing up to relay him, he'll realize he's alone.
Feeling lonely, he'll crank it up a bit to Z3 in order to prepare a surprise win dinner for his teammates.
What a shock will it be to see that only Majka finished in the timelimit.
Yet, with the cyclamen jersey now his, Pog would sleep well, being able to wear a short of the color of his choice to Rome.

He gets into the breakaway I'm not sure if the other GC teams will even care let alone react lol.

 

[solo80k]

He said Monte Grappa is very close to Slovenia so we know what will happen on Saturday. Will he do it during the first climb or will he wait?

Why should he attack on the first ascent?

He somehow "gifted" Passo Brocon win after all, attacking from GC so close to the finish. He could probably grab that stage as well, attacking with 6-5 kms from finish would be enough.

Anyway, Pog wants Monte Grappa so he won't be that merciful on Saturday.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Why should he attack on the first ascent?

He somehow "gifted" Passo Brocon win after all, attacking from GC so close to the finish. He could probably grab that stage as well, attacking with 6-5 kms from finish would be enough.

Anyway, Pog wants Monte Grappa so he won't be that merciful on Saturday.

From a secret source I know that Teddy has a bet with G. about if he can lap the field on Grappa. Apparently their wives are at stake.

 

[Miha81]

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[pihi42]

He said Monte Grappa is very close to Slovenia so we know what will happen on Saturday. Will he do it during the first climb or will he wait?

Perhaps he'll stop by Nova Gorica in Slovenija for a coffee break between the two climbs. It's only about 160km.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Tomorrow he will have another rest day. This last week has been perfect, Tour is on track.

 

[Fos]

I'm starting to think, seeing how this Giro is developing, that it's not going to be such a bad preparation for the Tour. He is making the efforts when he wants, how he wants and at the intensity he wants, and he has only really fought anyone in the first stage.

 

[Barkintheeye]

I'm starting to think, seeing how this Giro is developing, that it's not going to be such a bad preparation for the Tour. He is making the efforts when he wants, how he wants and at the intensity he wants, and he has only really fought anyone in the first stage.

Yes, he looks amazingly strong and getting to chose whenever an effort is made is very good for Pog. Obviously the competition isn't the best with Vingo and Roglic and their respective dedicated GC teams missing but still.

It would be nice if Visma at least can rock UAE at the Tour. This complete dominance isn't just overwhelming. In the longer run it's bad.

 

[Oldermanish]

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He's working on 155cm crank intervals. It helps when he has to push that 69 tooth chainring around on the competitive climbs.

 

[skippo12]

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Secret new TT setup?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

After thinking a bit about stage 15 to Livigno. It was even more impressive IMO:

1) Last 13-14 minutes of Foscagno were at 6.8-6.9 w/kg - huge numbers at an average altitude of almost 2100 m. Comparable to last year's Tourmalet by Vingo and Pog. But it's not the whole story.

2) After like 3-4 minutes of descent Pog continues pushing 6.7 w/kg for 10 minutes until the finish at almost 2400 m.

This was a really big performance by him, his best at altitude and also maybe his best mountain performance besides Romme+Colombiere (it's hard to compare performances varying greatly in altitude or duration though).

 

[bNator]

After thinking a bit about stage 15 to Livigno. It was even more impressive IMO:

1) Last 13-14 minutes of Foscagno were at 6.8-6.9 w/kg - huge numbers at an average altitude of almost 2100 m. Comparable to last year's Tourmalet by Vingo and Pog. But it's not the whole story.

2) After like 3-4 minutes of descent Pog continues pushing 6.7 w/kg for 10 minutes until the finish at almost 2400 m.

This was a really big performance by him, his best at altitude and also maybe his best mountain performance besides Romme+Colombiere (it's hard to compare performances varying greatly in altitude or duration though).

Of course it was. He had his first date with Urska's boyfriend's girlfriend there

 

[BubbaChuck]

Pog wasnot joking,when he said he is going after mercx.I know people see pog as nice humble guy and he is .but in reality pog is maniac,he doesnot give afuk.No kids,pure cycling till he is 40.Pog has similar mentality as another slovenian maniac Jure Robic,who is most insane sportsmen ihave ever saw,probably in history.They different in their head.Pog doesnot care,ih he dies on bike,he dies.

 

[Salvarani]

After thinking a bit about stage 15 to Livigno. It was even more impressive IMO:

1) Last 13-14 minutes of Foscagno were at 6.8-6.9 w/kg - huge numbers at an average altitude of almost 2100 m. Comparable to last year's Tourmalet by Vingo and Pog. But it's not the whole story.

2) After like 3-4 minutes of descent Pog continues pushing 6.7 w/kg for 10 minutes until the finish at almost 2400 m.

This was a really big performance by him, his best at altitude and also maybe his best mountain performance besides Romme+Colombiere (it's hard to compare performances varying greatly in altitude or duration though).

It is a legendary performance on the Queen-stage of this edition. Showcasing his brilliance and domination.

 

[bNator]

Pog wasnot joking,when he said he is going after mercx.I know people see pog as nice humble guy and he is .but in reality pog is maniac,he doesnot give afuk.No kids,pure cycling till he is 40.Pog has similar mentality as another slovenian maniac Jure Robic,who is most insane sportsmen ihave ever saw,probably in history.They different in their head.Pog doesnot care,ih he dies on bike,he dies.

I assume you've already been told but just in case you haven't been - reading text without spaces after punctuations is unpleasant.

 

[Froome]

After thinking a bit about stage 15 to Livigno. It was even more impressive IMO:

1) Last 13-14 minutes of Foscagno were at 6.8-6.9 w/kg - huge numbers at an average altitude of almost 2100 m. Comparable to last year's Tourmalet by Vingo and Pog. But it's not the whole story.

2) After like 3-4 minutes of descent Pog continues pushing 6.7 w/kg for 10 minutes until the finish at almost 2400 m.

This was a really big performance by him, his best at altitude and also maybe his best mountain performance besides Romme+Colombiere (it's hard to compare performances varying greatly in altitude or duration though).

According to some calculations 6.75 w/kg in the last 13 minutes of Foscagno(tailwind close from the top), and 5.6 w/kg during the last 7/8 min on mottolino(he faded a little here). Even so, good perfomance.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

According to some calculations 6.75 w/kg in the last 13 minutes of Foscagno(tailwind close from the top), and 5.6 w/kg during the last 7/8 min on mottolino(he faded a little here). Even so, good perfomance.

It seems Velonews was off with those estimations. I decided to do my own from Eurosport Player replay: about 13 minutes for the last climb, average VAM about 1660 m/h, which on a 7.6% climb corresponds to about 6 w/kg.

Not as thermonuclear as Velonews assessment. However they mentioned 10 minutes effort. Excluding the last kilometer it was about 1780 m/h of VAM for 9 minutes, so a considerably higher value, which is about 6.4 w/kg. Judging by this, last km was slower but this is assuming we believe in accurate climb profiles 100 % - in Oropa I actually found out that it's not that accurate (I was a spectator).

 

[bNator]

It seems Velonews was off with those estimations. I decided to do my own from Eurosport Player replay: about 13 minutes for the last climb, average VAM about 1660 m/h, which on a 7.6% climb corresponds to about 6 w/kg.

Not as thermonuclear as Velonews assessment. However they mentioned 10 minutes effort. Excluding the last kilometer it was about 1780 m/h of VAM for 9 minutes, so a considerably higher value, which is about 6.4 w/kg. Judging by this, last km was slower but this is assuming we believe in accurate climb profiles 100 % - in Oropa I actually found out that it's not that accurate (I was a spectator).

How do you do those calculations? I noticed you are very knowledgable about this subject. Do you divide the effort by segments (lets say 0.1 km each) based on the remaining distance and then use timestamp of the broadcast recording at the change of decimal values of the remaining distance or something completely different? Do you use software/scripts to do that or do you do it manually?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

How do you do those calculations? I noticed you are very knowledgable about this subject. Do you divide the effort by segments (lets say 0.1 km each) based on the remaining distance and then use timestamp of the broadcast recording at the change of decimal values of the remaining distance or something completely different? Do you use software/scripts to do that or do you do it manually?

Not really. I don't perform that accurate estimations, one would need a very accurate profile and time intervals. Just time stamps for a given section (sometimes I could be off by a dozen or so seconds due to another image shown at that time). When you have time for a section then you divide elevation difference (from the profile so we need to believe the profile is 100% correct) by this time (measured in hours) and you get average VAM. The rest are w/kg estimation formulas for given VAM and section average gradient. Ferrari formula is quite popular and in most cases consistent with some twitter guys doing estimations. Obviously the situation changes a bit when they go in a larger group vs a single cyclist, so additional corrections (reduced aero drag) are done when riding in a group.

BTW: doing "integration" over 100 meters intervals would be better but one needs very accurate data plus on homogenous climb sections (little gradient variations) it would make little difference. It's also worth noting that if a cyclist produces some average VAM over a given section (let's say 1800 m/h, roughly corresponding to 6.4 w/kg) then if his effort is for some reason uneven on this section then he actually does an even bigger effort (bigger so called normalized power) so in this sense averaging over bigger section is a kinda lower bound (but usually close to actual if a cyclist performs an even effort during solo ride, which is desired).