Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

You could argue he spent a bit more energy than he should've (and not for the first time) but damn he's entertaining to watch.

He didn't spend a lot more than Vingegaard. Almost the same

 

[Skalman]

Dont know how they should get rid of Vinge really , this was a little worrying, Vinge looks exceptional good.
I hope their strategy for Tuesday is not going to the top holding hands anyway.

 

[Peyroteo94]

They can't drop Vingegaard unless Pogi finds magical legs.

 

[Salvarani]

Dont know how they should get rid of Vinge really , this was a little worrying, Vinge looks exceptional good.
I hope their strategy for Tuesday is not going to the top holding hands anyway.

I dont think it will be all-out.

I dont expect big gaps. Vinge and Pog to hold hands. The others being behind. Two competitions within the race.

 

[scribers]

Dont know how they should get rid of Vinge really , this was a little worrying, Vinge looks exceptional good.
I hope their strategy for Tuesday is not going to the top holding hands anyway.

Short steep climb is different than longer climb selections. We shall see

 

[scribers]

Today was only going to be a GC stage if the break was better controlled, due to bonus seconds up for offer. And it made no sense for uae to do all of the controlling. So what we got was a test of strength and not much more. Vingo stock up. Remco stock ip slightly. Roglic stock down. Everyone else hold serve. Pogi stock down slightly because the team is now in yellow

 

[Oldermanish]

He actually looks a bit stunned and depressed. He'll be worried that Vingegaard could stay with him there. He really is his arch nemesis.

I don't think you can draw hard conclusions except that none of the guys that crashed in Basque were afraid of descending fast. Those roads were narrow and having more than 2 guys in a group wasn't an advantage. Pogacar provided the power and Jonas was aware enough to make it through that tight summit corner, then hold on to Tadej's wheel. Roglic was not paying attention or couldn't jump quickly enough. He's gotta be the one questioning his form.

 

[Bolder]

But my suspicion is right look at G.Thomas and how chanceless he is after the giro its historically proven so many times how hard that double is, so Pogacar gonne struggle make no mistake about it I think if not I would be utterly shocked.

Grandpa G who peaks for one race a year is hardly a good comparison.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I don't think you can draw hard conclusions except that none of the guys that crashed in Basque were afraid of descending fast. Those roads were narrow and having more than 2 guys in a group wasn't an advantage. Pogacar provided the power and Jonas was aware enough to make it through that tight summit corner, then hold on to Tadej's wheel. Roglic was not paying attention or couldn't jump quickly enough. He's gotta be the one questioning his form.

Given how quickly everyone else was blown away by Pogacar's acceleration, I'm genuinely surprised that Vingegaard held his wheel. Very good signs for the fisherman.

 

[Miha81]

Team will have to spend at least one of "superdomestiques" if they are serious about shaking the GC. This looked poor by UAE.

It is hard to read into Pogi. Was this just a test to see where everbody is at or serious attack? If it was later this could be another hearthbreak tour campaign.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Can't help but notice he once again waits until the easy part of the climb to attack.

I don't think Vingegaard was that easy, and it doesn't help when you attack where drafting makes 80W difference instead of 20W difference.

Yup, I noticed that too. Why not trying at least 100-200 meters earlier? Just moments after Pogacar attacked there was basically false flat. Still, he easily dropped the rest and Vingo showed to be really strong.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Today confirmed Pogacar has to watch Vingegaard. The plan for Tuesday will be interesting.

 

[Jack_89]

Yup, I noticed that too. Why not trying at least 100-200 meters earlier? Just moments after Pogacar attacked there was basically false flat. Still, he easily dropped the rest and Vingo showed to be really strong.

Overconfidence

 

[Ilmaestro99]

That awkward moment when your rivals aren't gerant Thomas and Ben occoner.

 

[Salvarani]

Overconfidence

Nah, it was better to accelerate when it flattens out a bit rather than on +15%.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

That awkward moment when your rivals aren't gerant Thomas and Ben occoner.

Yeah, I think Teddy hoped to put at least a few seconds into Vingo. Even if the Dane had bridged back afterwards it would still be a reason for optimism. But no way, on top of that Vingo didn't show a weakness on the descent either. Teddy must be disappointed.

 

[Salvarani]

Yeah, I think Teddy hoped to put at least a few seconds into Vingo. Even if the Dane had bridged back afterwards it would still be a reason for optimism. But no way, on top of that Vingo didn't show a weakness on the descent either. Teddy must be disappointed.

Dont think he is disappointed. Just that he count on Vinge being his usual self for now at least.

 

[Miha81]

For media (translated from Slovenian):

Tadej Pogačar on his attack: "I attacked a little at the top of the last climb. A little to test myself, not only to test others. Vingegaard was directly behind my bike. Jonas participated, but not as much as I would have liked. But there is progress , because at least he participated, It looks like he's in great shape, it's fine, it's interesting. I'd rather go alone."

And on yellow jersey: "I was thinking about whether it's a good idea to take the yellow jersey or not. Of course, you can't just give it up and I'm happy to have it."

 

[Gigs_98]

Yeah Pogacar always attacking at the worst possible point is quite striking, but I really don't think that's overconfidence but the opposite. I don't think he felt that great today and didn't dare to show his cards at a point where someone with incredible legs might be able to counter him. Who knows what happens if the climb is paced differently and Pogacar attacks a bit earlier, but Vingegaard honestly looked comfortable enough that I doubt he would have been dropped anyway.

 

[Froome]

For media (translated from Slovenian):

Tadej Pogačar on his attack: "I attacked a little at the top of the last climb. A little to test myself, not only to test others. Vingegaard was directly behind my bike. Jonas participated, but not as much as I would have liked. But there is progress , because at least he participated, It looks like he's in great shape, it's fine, it's interesting. I'd rather go alone."

And on yellow jersey: "I was thinking about whether it's a good idea to take the yellow jersey or not. Of course, you can't just give it up and I'm happy to have it."

What he mean with "but there is progress"?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What he mean with "but there is progress"?

Vingo didn't want to cooperate with him on some previous occasions.

 

[Netserk]

What he mean with "but there is progress"?

He’s sour that his rival doesn’t pull him more often.

 

[Medvind]

Can't help but notice he once again waits until the easy part of the climb to attack.

I don't think Vingegaard was that easy, and it doesn't help when you attack where drafting makes 80W difference instead of 20W difference.

So why didn't he do that, must be a reason. In Giro Dell'Emilia he attacked on the steep part but couldn't really shake everyone and had to sit up on the flatter part. Think he thought he could get seperation today and could follow his attack all the way to the top and then continue over the top, thinking his higher watts on flatter part will make it hard for Vinge to come back.

 

[Miha81]

What he mean with "but there is progress"?

Probably that Vinge wheelsucked only 80% of time

 

[Jack_89]

Now all that remains is to push hard on the Galibier (team included this time) and give everything. In the worst case scenario, he will arrive with Jonas at the finish line, putting a minute on the rest of the field. s
For at least a week there will be no mountains and they will be able to study some strategies if needed