Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Bonking is when you've hit the wall by depleting your body's glycogen stored in the muscles and liver. Sprinting uses a different energy system - the Phosphagen System which doesn't metabolise glycogen.

Energy for Phoshagen System runs out after a 5-10 seconds (assuming a fresh effort, which is not the case here). Any kind of prolonged sprint (or sprint after an intense effort) uses glicolysis to generate ATP.

 

[Red Rick]

Energy for Phoshagen System runs out after a 5-10 seconds (assuming a fresh effort, which is not the case here). Any kind of prolonged sprint (or sprint after an intense effort) uses glicolysis to generate ATP.

Don't know how it exactly works with muscle recruitment but I would assume a sprint after a hard race still has some phosphagen involvement if the last few minutes before the sprint isn't too hard.

I think phosphagen recovery is a separate trait on it's own.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Urska posted a video of her training with Mavi Garcia, Tadej and Ayuso. Guess they don’t hate each other as Mou would like you to think…

Are you sure it was Ayuso? I can't see who is Pogacar's teammate

 

[Mina.S]

Are you sure it was Ayuso? I can't see who is Pogacar's teammate

Ayuso reshared it on his stories so it would be weird if it wasn't

 

[James M]

This is the best level I think of any cyclist ever.

Its amazing.. One monument to go aswell.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Ayuso reshared it on his stories so it would be weird if it wasn't

Of course it would. Thanks

 

[topt]

Nah, that's not a bonk. This is a bonk ...

Armstrong Joux Plane 2000 TdF

But I do agree that more likely Pogacar exaggerated his suffering on stage 11 to lull Visma into a false sense of security. I mean when you bonk you can usually still pull out a sprint? Since when is Vingegaard ever going to beat Pogacar in a sprint - like that day? But Visma obviously took the bait but were then relieved of their chutzpah on stage 15.

this, I was thinking about this stage it was a fake bonk; I remember after the stage Jonas said this is the turning point; a year before really was the turning point when Jonas caught him.

 

[Peyroteo94]

this, I was thinking about this stage it was a fake bonk; I remember after the stage Jonas said this is the turning point; a year before really was the turning point when Jonas caught him.

I don't think he faked it. Pogacar is a killer so he really struggled there. Pogacar was angry in Pla d'Adet

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Don't know how it exactly works with muscle recruitment but I would assume a sprint after a hard race still has some phosphagen involvement if the last few minutes before the sprint isn't too hard.

I think phosphagen recovery is a separate trait on it's own.

It's true that it can refill its super small "tank" quickly - in 1-3 minutes if there's a lot of oxygen available (light effort/recovery just before the sprint).

It's also true that even for very short efforts (i.e. 10-15 seconds) anaerobic glycolysis contributes substantially to the total energy yield so sugars shortcomings should be felt:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-energy-systems-that-contribute-to-sport-practice-The-phosphagen-system-ATP-CP-is_fig3_333902223

 

[scribers]

He wouldn’t fake that and ship the lead he had on the road to Vingo at that stage of the tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's raining tomorrow. Another demolation in coming! There is a chance of raining in Lombardia too on Saturday

 

[QueenStagiaire]

It's raining tomorrow. Another demolation in coming! There is a chance of raining in Lombardia too on Saturday

Looking at the forecast, I‘m concerned that the weather might actually be able to stop him from winning Varesine

 

[vwpe]

Maybe start season down under and LBL Lombardia.

I think i heard rumours Pog wants to start his season in Strade again but ofcourse nothing is set in stone in those regards so early.

 

[vwpe]

One thing is certain next season people are planning their season around him as he will gatekeep every big race and this leap he has done this year its gonne continue with the new coach, its only starting is what everyone says and close people too. Its also logical since he changed so much compared to before and naturaly got much more to go on which is a terrifying thought for the peloton when the gap to everyone is this big already.

 

[Peyroteo94]

One thing is certain next season people are planning their season around him as he will gatekeep every big race and this leap he has done this year its gonne continue with the new coach, its only starting is what everyone says and close people too. Its also logical since he changed so much compared to before and naturaly got much more to go on which is a terrifying thought for the peloton when the gap to everyone is this big already.

Even this year, a lot of riders missed the Giro because of him.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Looking at the forecast, I‘m concerned that the weather might actually be able to stop him from winning Varesine

Thunderstorm?

 

[Monsi]

Thunderstorm?

Risk of cancellation for Tre Valli due to large amount of rainfall.

 

[chris_sssss]

Zero chance he reach pog level. Goat will never lose another GT

This makes no sense. Jonas beat him in 2022 with a gap. Both of them improved their numbers and he beat him again in 2023 with a bigger gap. In the spring 2024 he showed strong improvement compared to 2023 and then crashed heavily in Spain. Without this he might have had the same improvement as Pogacar and beaten him - even Landa or Jorgenson had higher improvements than Jonas this year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Risk of cancellation for Tre Valli due to large amount of rainfall.

A pity. I was expecting another show from him but at least we know Remco, Roglic and Pogacar won't be sick before Lombardia

 

[2WpK]

It really looks like Remco is done. Don't expect much from him on Sunday. Another Monument for Pog, barring some disaster.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It really looks like Remco is done. Don't expect much from him on Sunday. Another Monument for Pog, barring some disaster.

Even a top Remco would get murder in Lombardia. This is Pogacar's home sweet home

 

[Oldermanish]

It really looks like Remco is done. Don't expect much from him on Sunday. Another Monument for Pog, barring some disaster.

I'm surprised he did the WC RR with all he accomplished after his recovery. He shares that stress with Jonas who wisely shut the season down.

 

[tobydawq]

It really looks like Remco is done. Don't expect much from him on Sunday. Another Monument for Pog, barring some disaster.

What happens on Sunday?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What happens on Sunday?

The African Continental Championship RR. I don't expect much from him during that either.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm surprised he did the WC RR with all he accomplished after his recovery. He shares that stress with Jonas who wisely shut the season down.

Remco said he was in great shape. He suffered a huge blow in Zurich and for that reason he has been s#it in these italian classics