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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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WCRR was a great example of dithering and excuses. Several American riders killed themselves to be in the mix and Ben O'Conner surprised all of us. Are those guys better than MvP, Remco, Wout....?

But if it wasn't for Pogacar none of the riders you mentioned would win.
It would be probably someone from the big break.
Pogacar was clearly better than MvP (he couldn't even catch Healy and Skujins) and Remco. So the best rider won the race.
Could he be beaten? Of course if everyone rode together to beat him. But such situations rarely occur in cycling.
 
They were all dead! Pogacar won by sheer power.
His move was way early in the event and the efforts I saw from Remco were half-assed and involved much jawing at other guys to pull through. On an uphill pursuit you don't just stop working because you don't have alot of help. Remco's credentials would have him locking down in an effort he could sustain to reduce the gap. He didn't seem to do much of that from the highlighted broadcast segments I saw. Very much like the situation he won his own Worlds' RR. That, and he might have been tired and satisfied from winning 2 Olympic Golds.
That Oly RR was won pretty much like Tadej won the World's so there's that to consider.
 
But if it wasn't for Pogacar none of the riders you mentioned would win.
It would be probably someone from the big break.
Pogacar was clearly better than MvP (he couldn't even catch Healy and Skujins) and Remco. So the best rider won the race.
Could he be beaten? Of course if everyone rode together to beat him. But such situations rarely occur in cycling.
Like when Remco won his Rainbow stripes. Just like that....
 
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So MSR, Dauphiné and Vuelta will be in his racing program
No we cant conclude on that. He knows he can win dauphine & vuelta on one leg even in his 30's he is particularly talking about sanremo where he will be in the shape of his life. The key person in that race is jasper philipsen, he is the one who decides the races outcome. When pog attacks on cipressa only mvdp can follow and he will probably be on his limit & if jasper is in the race he will not work with pog but if he isnt he has to work on the valley & pog drops him easy on poggio
 
No we cant conclude on that. He knows he can win dauphine & vuelta on one leg even in his 30's he is particularly talking about sanremo where he will be in the shape of his life. The key person in that race is jasper philipsen, he is the one who decides the races outcome. When pog attacks on cipressa only mvdp can follow and he will probably be on his limit & if jasper is in the race he will not work with pog but if he isnt he has to work on the valley & pog drops him easy on poggio
The "key person" is MVDP.
 
The "key person" is MVDP.
Not really, for 2024 pog there is no direct rival & on flanders we will see clear & laugh on the best classics riders in mvdp,wva& pederson when he sweeps them away by 3 minutes. His biggest & only rival(indirect) for 2025 season is philipsen b/c he would be the only one who could snatch a win from pog or make other riders win by making sanremo a tactical race. I will be incredibly surprised If mvdp takes the gamble of working with pog in the valley down cipressa with poggio ahead.
 
TBH I'm not sure about this. I just think I saw more powerful accelerations by him in the previous years. I'm not talking about 3-5 minutes efforts, more about a few dozens of seconds efforts (Z6). His aerobic engine has been so superior this year and it seems logical that his anaerobic power/capacity should be reduced a bit.
So it is a feeling. I think he didn't get worse. There were plenty of races where he completely shattered the race with his acceleration.
 
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Not really, for 2024 pog there is no direct rival & on flanders we will see clear & laugh on the best classics riders in mvdp,wva& pederson when he sweeps them away by 3 minutes. His biggest & only rival(indirect) for 2025 season is philipsen b/c he would be the only one who could snatch a win from pog or make other riders win by making sanremo a tactical race. I will be incredibly surprised If mvdp takes the gamble of working with pog in the valley down cipressa with poggio ahead.
MVDP is the key person, since he can impact the race. Either by attacking like he won the race in 2023 or sacrificing himself to chase like he did in 2024, for his teammate.

MVDP is the key person. Not Philipsen.

Philipsen is not the one that can impact the race by himself, but he can definitely win it if the right scenario plays out for him. The attackers are brought back and he is in the group for a sprint.

And I definitely believe MVDP would like the odds in 1 vs 1 in a sprint against Pog, at last a great chance to win, if either cant go solo from each other but everyone else is left behind. It would be a great fight nonetheless.

If MVDP is able to stay with Pog and it is just the two of them in the valley... I would be surprised if MVDP just sits on. Then he is not interested in winning, which I would be surprised with, if such a scenario plays out. Then he would just be marking Pog.

I can only see MVDP chase if the scenario is like last year. Philipsen shortly behind in a small first group, where he is the best sprinter. Then MVDP likely sacrifces himself. Not if him and Pog are solo.
 
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MVDP is the key person, since he can impact the race. Either by attacking like he won the race in 2023 or sacrificing himself to chase like he did in 2024, for his teammate.

MVDP is the key person. Not Philipsen.

Philipsen is not the one that can impact the race by himself, but he can definitely win it if the right scenario plays out for him. The attackers are brought back and he is in the group for a sprint.

And I definitely believe MVDP would like the odds in 1 vs 1 in a sprint against Pog, at last a great chance to win, if either cant go solo from each other but everyone else is left behind. It would be a great fight nonetheless.

If MVDP is able to stay with Pog and it is just the two of them in the valley... I would be surprised if MVDP just sits on. Then he is not interested in winning, which I would be surprised with, if such a scenario plays out. Then he would just be marking Pog.

I can only see MVDP chase if the scenario is like last year. Philipsen shortly behind in a small first group, where he is the best sprinter. Then MVDP likely sacrifces himself. Not if him and Pog are solo.
You are talking about MVP but Pogi can't drop WVA too
 
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So it is a feeling. I think he didn't get worse. There were plenty of races where he completely shattered the race with his acceleration.

Because others were dead by then while his superior engine enabled him to demolish the competition in the finale. Then again, I'm not comparing his explosivity with other GC guys (he's much better OFC) but the problem could be a guy like MVP in a race with little climbing.
 
What did he do to his hair?

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Because others were dead by then while his superior engine enabled him to demolish the competition in the finale. Then again, I'm not comparing his explosivity with other GC guys (he's much better OFC) but the problem could be a guy like MVP in a race with little climbing.
Cycling is an endurance sport, even sprinters are not "pure sprinters". They still need to endure 180 km before sprinting. Pure sprinters are on track.
Pogacar never was the most explosive guy in the peloton. Not in 2023, not in 2022.
 
MVDP is the key person, since he can impact the race. Either by attacking like he won the race in 2023 or sacrificing himself to chase like he did in 2024, for his teammate.

MVDP is the key person. Not Philipsen.

Philipsen is not the one that can impact the race by himself, but he can definitely win it if the right scenario plays out for him. The attackers are brought back and he is in the group for a sprint.

And I definitely believe MVDP would like the odds in 1 vs 1 in a sprint against Pog, at last a great chance to win, if either cant go solo from each other but everyone else is left behind. It would be a great fight nonetheless.

If MVDP is able to stay with Pog and it is just the two of them in the valley... I would be surprised if MVDP just sits on. Then he is not interested in winning, which I would be surprised with, if such a scenario plays out. Then he would just be marking Pog.

I can only see MVDP chase if the scenario is like last year. Philipsen shortly behind in a small first group, where he is the best sprinter. Then MVDP likely sacrifces himself. Not if him and Pog are solo.
Our definitions of "a key person" is totally different. I see a person as key when he has a better chance to win the race or has the lion share of deciding the outcome.

In our case of msr no matter how strong mvdp is if we get pogacar on 2024 world championships form then mvdp has no chance if the race opens on cipressa b/c the pog i saw in WC his power didn't drop throughout his 100km solo raid which mvdp also said he has never seen such a performance & also said pogs era has only started

My conclusion is mvdp will not gamble on working with pog in the valley of cipressa with philipsen being his card. But if as you say mvdp works with pog down in the valley of cipressa with poggio waiting ahead it would be suicide for him.
 
Our definitions of "a key person" is totally different. I see a person as key when he has a better chance to win the race or has the lion share of deciding the outcome.

In our case of msr no matter how strong mvdp is if we get pogacar on 2024 world championships form then mvdp has no chance if the race opens on cipressa b/c the pog i saw in WC his power didn't drop throughout his 100km solo raid which mvdp also said he has never seen such a performance & also said pogs era has only started

My conclusion is mvdp will not gamble on working with pog in the valley of cipressa with philipsen being his card. But if as you say mvdp works with pog down in the valley of cipressa with poggio waiting ahead it would be suicide for him.
I bet my house MVP would be happy in working with Pogacar. He beats Pogi 9/10 in a sprint.