• The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

Page 943 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
5,191
7,877
16,180
Cookster15 said:
Wiki has Pog's weight at 66kg. Using that:

7.5w/kg = 500watts (near enough)

From an historical point of reference, at the heights of the EPO era, 79kg Miguel Indurain was doing (I think?) 500watts when he did his "extraterrestrial" Luxembourg TT in the '92 Tour.

What weight are we assuming for Pog? If he is lighter that makes the numbers (slightly) more believable.
Click to expand...
He is 65 kg (in the Tour)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan and Cookster15
James M

James M

Jun 17, 2024
774
1,643
5,180
Cookster15 said:
Wiki has Pog's weight at 66kg. Using that:

7.5w/kg = 500watts (near enough)

From an historical point of reference, at the heights of the EPO era, 79kg Miguel Indurain was doing (I think?) 500watts when he did his "extraterrestrial" Luxembourg TT in the '92 Tour.

What weight are we assuming for Pog? If he is lighter that makes the numbers (slightly) more believable.
Click to expand...
snipeheem said:
Mou claim 7,5w/kg during Tour TT in 2025. Crazy time ahead of us
Click to expand...

Considering he did 7.24W/kg for 23min on stage 15 when he attacked, which was deep into a GT, deep into one of the hardest stages, in the heath at end of a 40MIN climb - if he further continue to improve which we already saw after the Tour and if continue that further, 7.5W/kg for 20min climbs definitely is more than plausible we can see into stages next year, he is just taking 2+2 together here. Think thats what he meant and not the Peyragudes TT snipehem, and based on what we already know its def probable. Also its crucial to divide this from 16km climbs thats not what were talking about, but 7-8km ish.


yaf said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it goes north to 8.
Click to expand...

Liege he already did 8 this year. He did ~530w (8.2w/kg) on La Redoute. Granted 4.08min but he wasnt dead after, also its 200 ++ more km if were talking about the Peyragudes TT which you meant, which is 11km only, we also know hes improved alot since Liege and if he further improves even from that which are likely and probable, but I dont think he ever said 7.5 for the TT. and meant climbs and stages. The TT, its crazy but I agree with you, based on what we already know - if he can do 7.24W/kg for 23min deep into a GT and at the end of one of the hardest stages and 40 min climb, its possible in that scenario, at least closer to 8 than 7.5,in the TT only.

8W/kg deep into stages for a sustained 20+min are not realistic at all indeed but he said 7.5 and thats not that far fetched based on what we know its just 2+2, if he improves like is likely and rumours are true its just probable. This guy is already making extraterrestrial guys seems like amateurs.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan, Cookster15, hayneplane and 1 other person
Cookster15

Cookster15

May 14, 2011
5,205
5,120
23,180
The thing is, it wasn’t so long ago that 6.0w/kg was the threshold of what should be discussed in the other forum 😉. Now we are suggesting 7.5 or even 8?

Been watching since 1992. I don’t know what else they say except I don’t like Vingegaard’s chances to avenge the 2024 Tour based upon all this.
 
  • Like
Reactions: snipeheem and scribers
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
5,191
7,877
16,180
Cookster15 said:
The thing is, it wasn’t so long ago that 6.0w/kg was the threshold of what should be discussed in the other forum 😉. Now we are suggesting 7.5 or even 8?

Been watching since 1992. I don’t know what else they say except I don’t like Vingegaard’s chances to avenge the 2024 Tour based upon all this.
Click to expand...
They are going faster than ever but this is mainly because we have 2 of the greatest climbers ever. If we took out Pogi/Vingo, climbers would do 6,3 w/kg at their max. Remco was 3 minutes slower than Pogacar in PdB or 3 minutes slower in GdL. We just have probably the 2 best climbers ever.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
5,191
7,877
16,180
And I believe the gap will grow even more. Something like 2 minutes in 30/35 minutes climbs. I think the MTT in Peyragudes will give us a clear picture of that difference. With everyone fresh and healthy, I can't see (for example) Remco or Roglic losing less than 1:20 minutes in 11 km
 
  • Like
Reactions: snipeheem
Moose McKnuckles

Moose McKnuckles

Nov 7, 2009
10,452
2,962
28,180
Pog when he catches a stage-leading Jorgensen 500m from the finish line on a MTF.
9hmrrt.jpg
 
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: James M, Lui98, snipeheem and 4 others
Tymek

Tymek

Feb 1, 2023
117
184
1,030
James M said:
I remember someone posted Politt talking about this list and its legit, hillarious to be honest. Curious did he ever mention names, like anyone?
Click to expand...

Really? Is that list existing?

It’s kinda weird. I don’t have idea who others on this list may be, but I assume that mostly those are riders who are mean to others in peleton or are known for stupid behavior in the races. Others are probably open UAE hatres.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
M

Mina.S

Aug 31, 2023
142
211
1,230
Tymek said:
Really? Is that list existing?

It’s kinda weird. I don’t have idea who others on this list may be, but I assume that mostly those are riders who are mean to others in peleton or are known for stupid behavior in the races. Others are probably open UAE hatres.
Click to expand...
It was a joke that people took fairly seriously because it was translated from german to english. It was more like when you ride at races you have riders who you never talk to and some your friendly with. In context he was talking about their goal in the tour is always to isolate Jonas because he is nervous when he has no team mates with him then he joked about them having a black list of riders to work with.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Sandisfan
James M

James M

Jun 17, 2024
774
1,643
5,180
Tymek said:
Really? Is that list existing?

It’s kinda weird. I don’t have idea who others on this list may be, but I assume that mostly those are riders who are mean to others in peleton or are known for stupid behavior in the races. Others are probably open UAE hatres.
Click to expand...
cyclinguptodate.com

Nils Politt on Tadej Pogacar and UAE's 'blacklist': "You don’t want to be on that list"

Nils Politt recently went on a podcast and has given a lot of insight on Tadej Pogacar and UAE Team Emirates' Tour de France. A lot of interesting statements were issued by the German but alongside th...
cyclinguptodate.com cyclinguptodate.com
Its just riders they like or not for whatever reason, casual. When your the sheriff in town thats how it goes.

''On our team bus, there’s also a list of riders who are friends and on a blacklist. "In the peloton, you have friends and riders you’re not so fond of. On our team bus, there’s also a list of riders who are friends and a blacklist. You don’t want to be on that list".
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Sandisfan
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom