Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

Hindsight BS, but you have to wonder if Mathieu just should have tried not to follow Pog on Koppenberg. It was clear that Pog was working him over. Let Pog dangle out there, maybe he tries to go all the way from Koppenberg. Work with Visma and Trek, save some power.

Sure, that's not the mentality MvdP has and it's hard to think that way during all out effort. But on forums one can speculate.

I think second group syndrom just starts earlier.

They would drop the doms on the climbs and then look at each other as Pog is infront just going even pace.

They only came back because Pog and MVDP was going moderately between the bergs.

Pog alone just powers away.

 

[yaf2]

This talk of being sick just earned MVP another date with Pogi at Ronde 2026

Its gonna be really hard to beat pog in flanders as it is hard to beat vdp in msr

 

[Peyroteo94]

Its gonna be really hard to beat pog in flanders as it is hard to beat vdp in msr

It is different. MSR is a tactical race not RVV.

 

[Netserk]

This was the best MVP ever.

I don't think so.

 

[AmRacer]

Its gonna be really hard to beat pog in flanders as it is hard to beat vdp in msr

Next year I believe Pogi will make it, Mathieu is getting older.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Next year I believe Pogi will make it, Mathieu is getting older.

Lol, 31 years old is perfectly a peak age. Maybe when he is 34.

 

[AmRacer]

Lol, 31 years old is perfectly a peak age. Maybe when he is 34.

I think Mathieu is at his peak, Pogi has a few more years of improvement.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Mathieu is at his peak, Pogi has a few more years of improvement.

Pogi is also in his peak age. If not, RIP cycling.

 

[Salvarani]

Lol, 31 years old is perfectly a peak age. Maybe when he is 34.

I agree, but he is entering his twilight years as a rider.

I just wont take anything for granted.

 

[AmRacer]

Pogi is also in his peak age. If not, RIP cycling.

Let's see what Jonas can do in July.

 

[yaf2]

It is different. MSR is a tactical race not RVV.

I'm talking about for pog. As we have seen today vdp can match pogs fresh accelerations like on kwaremont, koppenberg,taignberg... but it gets too much for him to follow on last kwaremont after all this climbs. Thats why pog just can't drop vdp on cipressa. he needs 2 or 3 cipressa to drop vdp.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Let's see what Jonas can do in July.

Yup, I will never underestimate Vingegaard.

 

[yaf2]

Next year I believe Pogi will make it, Mathieu is getting older.

He will try but i dont see how he drops him. Look at how fast vdp was catching pog on 2nd kwaremont. Its just one all out climb(cipressa) and vdp can follow easy

 

[Peyroteo94]

He will try but i dont see how he drops him. Look at how fast vdp was catching pog on 2nd kwaremont. Its just one all out climb(cipressa) and vdp can follow easy

Yup, I agree. He needs luck there, and by luck I mean a MVP badly positioned.

 

[scribers]

He will try but i dont see how he drops him. Look at how fast vdp was catching pog on 2nd kwaremont. Its just one all out climb(cipressa) and vdp can follow easy

I wouldn't say easily. But Pogi could take a year off of MSR and MVP will regret that when he has to chase everyone down as usual.

 

[scribers]

Let's see what Jonas can do in July.

July seems so far away. Season is NOW

 

[Peyroteo94]

July seems so far away. Season is NOW

I will never say July is far after seeing LBL 2023

 

[Lorzenz08]

I will never say July is far after seeing LBL 2023

Yea PR is next week. Then just 2 weeks after we have LBL. And then its only 10 weeks until start of TdF...

10 weeks to get in "3 weeks climbing monster shape". This is not a lot when we think about it haha..obviously Pogi is a different beast but still this is quite a feat.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yea PR is next week. Then just 2 weeks after we have LBL. And then its only 10 weeks until start of TdF...

10 weeks to get in "3 weeks climbing monster shape". This is not a lot when we think about it haha..obviously Pogi is a different beast but still this is quite a feat.

The base level is there so 9 weeks to get better specifically in the mountains should not be worrying. However, it is different to prepare a Tour with "only" 10 weeks than a rider like Vingegaard who is preparing the Tour since January.

 

[scribers]

The base level is there so 9 weeks to get better specifically in the mountains should not be worrying. However, it is different to prepare a Tour with "only" 10 weeks than a rider like Vingegaard who is preparing the Tour since January.

It has to be weird to be watching this unfold if you’re Vingo

 

[scribers]

Hindsight BS, but you have to wonder if Mathieu just should have tried not to follow Pog on Koppenberg. It was clear that Pog was working him over. Let Pog dangle out there, maybe he tries to go all the way from Koppenberg. Work with Visma and Trek, save some power.

Sure, that's not the mentality MvdP has and it's hard to think that way during all out effort. But on forums one can speculate.

Perhaps. But mvp doesn’t want to finish with Wout or pedersen. So better to try to hang with pogi alone

 

[Peyroteo94]

It has to be weird to be watching this unfold if you’re Vingo

He probably didn't see the race. He seems to dislike professional cycling more and more.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Mads Pedersen to Danish TV after talking about the crash and how UAE/Pogi lost some domestiques:

Interviewer:

Isn't it a bit of an advantage, that he was isolated so early?

Mads:

(Laughing) Obviously not. He destroys us anyway. Hats off, we can't do anything about it. We try and try and try, but he's just the greatest rider ever.

If Mads says Pogi is the GOAT - he's the GOAT.

 

[Gratemans]

Perhaps. But mvp doesn’t want to finish with Wout or pedersen. So better to try to hang with pogi alone

Pretty much this. Just like MSR, there's only one way for each of these riders to win this race. And if the other doesn't encounter bad luck and is in peak-shape Mathieu will always win MSR and Tadej will always win RVV.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Interviewer:


Mads:


If Mads says Pogi is the GOAT - he's the GOAT.

Yup the level of the competitors should also be taken into account when evaluating one achievements.
Merckx faced great opponents, but Vingegaard and MVDP are above anyone Merckx had to face.