• The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

Page 1146 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
S

Salvarani

Oct 15, 2017
15,295
16,256
28,180
hayneplane said:
They can be very compatible. Think the debate is whether you can reasonably do Tour-Vuelta-WC back to back to back with the aim of winning all 3x
Click to expand...
Possible but not smart to target when you have also gone hard in the spring. Doing all of MSR, Ronde, PR and LBL

People seem to forget all the preparation that he has done here as well. Just focusing on race days doesnt tell the story about the workload, or the hard work for and in these races.
 
BubbaChuck

BubbaChuck

May 22, 2024
196
346
1,030
problem is mixing classics and gts.you could see,how easy was last year for pog,when he did mainly stage races.he looked fresh whole season,like he is on perenial training camp,lol.in 2023 he was dead after brutal season.its completelly different duking it out with vdp in spring,than jonas in summer and still going strong in autumn.thast not the same as doing as doing vuelta catalunya and fighting with lanador gaudu,lol.why do you think jonas is taking it so easy.or remco.vdp is literally on vacation right now.
 
  • Like
Reactions: snipeheem, scribers and Salvarani
S

Salvarani

Oct 15, 2017
15,295
16,256
28,180
BubbaChuck said:
problem is mixing classics and gts.you could see,how easy was last year for pog,when he did mainly stage races.he looked fresh whole season,like he is on perenial training camp,lol.in 2023 he was dead after brutal season.its completelly different duking it out with vdp in spring,than jonas in summer and still going strong in autumn.thast not the same as doing as doing vuelta catalunya and fighting with lanador gaudu,lol.why do you think jonas is taking it so easy.or remco.vdp is literally on vacation right now.
Click to expand...
Exactly.

Pog can do a lot but he shouldnt do everything in one year.
 
Froome

Froome

Jan 29, 2021
3,907
5,101
13,180
BubbaChuck said:
problem is mixing classics and gts.you could see,how easy was last year for pog,when he did mainly stage races.he looked fresh whole season,like he is on perenial training camp,lol.in 2023 he was dead after brutal season.its completelly different duking it out with vdp in spring,than jonas in summer and still going strong in autumn.thast not the same as doing as doing vuelta catalunya and fighting with lanador gaudu,lol.why do you think jonas is taking it so easy.or remco.vdp is literally on vacation right now.
Click to expand...
Strade bianche, MSR, LBL, Il Lombardia, WC are not "classics? He did those last year.
 
S

Salvarani

Oct 15, 2017
15,295
16,256
28,180
BubbaChuck said:
yes he did,but mainly hills and no vdp on his terrain.beating chumps in strade is not the same as fighting vdp in pr or flanders.pog said pr was 1 of hardest races he ever did.you should know the best about this.jonas is posterchild for this method.
Click to expand...
And he has done weeks in training of preparation for Ronde and PR. He almost won them both.

After LBL he will have break and start building towards the Tour. He will also be doing Dauphine before it.

He should then have a break in August and focus on WC + Lombardia.
 
  • Like
Reactions: snipeheem
scribers

scribers

Oct 30, 2023
3,947
5,934
11,180
I’ll bet they can track kj across the season training + race days and inch toward a busier and busier schedule. It would not surprise me to see the vuelta added. But it’s wait and see if he stays on the bike and what does Vingo look like in July for him.
 
S

Salvarani

Oct 15, 2017
15,295
16,256
28,180
Peyroteo94 said:
The only reason I see for him to avoid the Vuelta this year is if somehow Vingegaard can push him beyond his limits in the Tour. A lot of his schedule will be determined by Vingegaard's shape.
Click to expand...
No, it is determined by what he has raced in the season already.

He can do the Vuelta in 3/4 possible scenarios... but this season he has chosen the one scenario where it wouldnt be wise at all to do it, for his own sake.

So he will just have to win the Vuelta another year.

Or risk his future by overloading and overdoing it this season.

I know what I think is smart and best to do.
 
R

Rou

Mar 20, 2024
125
297
1,230
Peyroteo94 said:
Pogacar goes crazy in March/April, something the other 2 don't. If you really think Pogacar can't recover like Roglic and Vingegaard, you are not watching cycling in the last year.
Vingegaard in the Vuelta 2023 was stronger than Pogacar in the Giro 2024?
Click to expand...
As I said, I want Pog to do the Vuelta this year against a focused Vingegaard. But my gut feeling is that he won't.
If Pogacar wins the Dauphine and the Tour then I don't have any issues with him missing the Vuelta. But if Jonas cracks him in July then I see no excuse for Pogi to miss the Tour of Spain.
In that case I would view the season for him as a fail even if he potentially wins World's TT + World's RR + Lombardia.
What is important for Pog's legacy is the number of times he wins the biggest races against his arch rivals. I don't care about Lombardia victories against Enric Mas.
 
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
7,567
11,066
17,180
Rou said:
As I said, I want Pog to do the Vuelta this year against a focused Vingegaard. But my gut feeling is that he won't.
If Pogacar wins the Dauphine and the Tour then I don't have any issues with him missing the Vuelta. But if Jonas cracks him in July then I see no excuse for Pogi to miss the Tour of Spain.
In that case I would view the season for him as a fail even if he potentially wins World's TT + World's RR + Lombardia.
What is important for Pog's legacy is the number of times he wins the biggest races against his arch rivals. I don't care about Lombardia victories against Enric Mas.
Click to expand...
I completely agree. He put the bar so high that he can win all monuments but the Tour to Vingegaard and his season will be a failure.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rou
Y

YavorD

Jul 8, 2017
1,332
1,693
13,680
Salvarani said:
No, it is determined by what he has raced in the season already.

He can do the Vuelta in 3/4 possible scenarios... but this season he has chosen the one scenario where it wouldnt be wise at all to do it, for his own sake.

So he will just have to win the Vuelta another year.

Or risk his future by overloading and overdoing it this season.

I know what I think is smart and best to do.
Click to expand...

No. If Vingegaard is no match for him the Vuelta will be basically a training camp. He wont be overdoing anything in this scenario.
 
S

Salvarani

Oct 15, 2017
15,295
16,256
28,180
Rou said:
As I said, I want Pog to do the Vuelta this year against a focused Vingegaard. But my gut feeling is that he won't.
If Pogacar wins the Dauphine and the Tour then I don't have any issues with him missing the Vuelta. But if Jonas cracks him in July then I see no excuse for Pogi to miss the Tour of Spain.
In that case I would view the season for him as a fail even if he potentially wins World's TT + World's RR + Lombardia.
What is important for Pog's legacy is the number of times he wins the biggest races against his arch rivals. I don't care about Lombardia victories against Enric Mas.
Click to expand...
He would have still have added potentially 2 monuments and another WC in such a scenario. Not too bad.

Plus it would probably be a big motivation to choose a scenario where he skips cobbles and does two GTs next season.
 
Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

Mar 20, 2022
7,567
11,066
17,180
Salvarani said:
No, it is determined by what he has raced in the season already.

He can do the Vuelta in 3/4 possible scenarios... but this season he has chosen the one scenario where it wouldnt be wise at all to do it, for his own sake.

So he will just have to win the Vuelta another year.

Or risk his future by overloading and overdoing it this season.

I know what I think is smart and best to do.
Click to expand...
He was fresh as a daisy after the Tour last year. His fatigue will be determined by the shape of Vingegaard. I don't count Remco, Pogacar in the Giro's shape would destroy any version of Remco in a mountain stage.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom