Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Spring ended with a lot of success. Now some rest and all in for the Tour.

 

[HashRouge]

Hopefully mate. Can't stand Vingegaard.

I'm Team Pog, but I really appreciate Vingegaard as a rider. Having both him and Pog at the Tour makes it more exciting. If we only had one of them, it would be pretty boring.

 

[HashRouge]

Vinge is damn good, don't get me wrong, but Pog took a step up last year and he seems even stronger this year, especially regarding attacking hard on steep sections. If Vinge can reach Pog's level in the tour I will be surprised. And even if he can I don't know how he actually wins over Pog. Gaining time on itt? Nah. Distancing Pog on hard mounting stags with long climbs at high altitude? Nah.

Sorry, I don't see it. I hope I'm wrong otherwise the Tour will be boring as hell.

While you're right that Pogi took a step up last year, it's important to remember that Vingegaard probably wasn't at 100%. I don't see how he could have been, to be honest, given the awful Basque Country crash. So I think we could get a very close battle between them if they both come into the Tour at 100%.

 

[AmRacer]

While you're right that Pogi took a step up last year, it's important to remember that Vingegaard probably wasn't at 100%. I don't see how he could have been, to be honest, given the awful Basque Country crash. So I think we could get a very close battle between them if they both come into the Tour at 100%.

Still, Vinge had his best TdF ever. Performance wise.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm Team Pog, but I really appreciate Vingegaard as a rider. Having both him and Pog at the Tour makes it more exciting. If we only had one of them, it would be pretty boring.

Yup, Pogacar would be a 5 time TdF winner or alternatively Vingegaard would be a 4 time TdF winner (and none of them would have a big rival). Vingegaard is the main reason why Tour 2025 has suspence.

 

[HashRouge]

Still, Vinge had his best TdF ever. Performance wise.

But what could he have done with perfect preparation? He would surely have been closer to Pogacar.

 

[jmdirt]

GREAT spring TP!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar has 2 rivals, only 2. Not more not less.

 

[AmRacer]

Pogacar has 2 rivals, only 2. Not more not less.

I'm not sure about the one who's missing in action. Let's wait until July.

 

[scribers]

These rivals stand in history on their own and define Pogacar. Great to see this whole thing unfolding.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm not sure about the one who's missing in action. Let's wait until July.

Don't be silly, Vingegaard already won the Tour twice against Pogacar. He arrived last year in his best shape but had a suboptimal preparation. If not, he would be even better IMHO and Don't forget Visma will be stronger than UAE in the mountains.

 

[HashRouge]

Don't be silly, Vingegaard already won the Tour twice against Pogacar. He arrived last year in his best shape but had a suboptimal preparation. If not, he would be even better IMHO and Don't forget Visma will be stronger than UAE in the mountains.

I'm quietly optimistic that this year could be the best Tour so far in terms of their rivalry. Fingers crossed anyway!

 

[AmRacer]

Don't be silly, Vingegaard already won the Tour twice against Pogacar. He arrived last year in his best shape but had a suboptimal preparation. If not, he would be even better IMHO and Don't forget Visma will be stronger than UAE in the mountains.

That's history, I have no idea where he stands today. But I expect Jonas to be at least runner up.

 

[Tony Furgusson]

Yup, Pogacar would be a 5 time TdF winner or alternatively Vingegaard would be a 4 time TdF winner (and none of them would have a big rival). Vingegaard is the main reason why Tour 2025 has suspence.

Yeah, Pogi would be a 5 time TdF winner if Javier Sola came to UAE earlier. Inigo San Millan wasn't doing his job properly. Tadej Pogacar himself said that he wants a new trainer.

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[James M]

Don't forget Visma will be stronger than UAE in the mountains.

Haha. You cant be serious? Are you waiting on Kuss still to show up in 25 or who are you waiting for, Simon Yates? What a comment

 

[Peyroteo94]

Haha. You cant be serious? Are you waiting on Kuss still to show up or who are you waiting for, Simon Yates? lol what a comment

Yates, Kuss, Matteo vs Almeida, Yates, Sivakov

If they are all at their best, I would choose Visma domestiques

 

[scribers]

Remco looked so strong across the past couple of weeks. Such a strange collapse.

 

[James M]

Yates, Kuss, Matteo vs Almeida, Yates, Sivakov

If they are all at their best, I would choose Visma domestiques

Yeah, then you’re living in the past, 22 or 23 still cause notihng of that resemble anything in 25 or even 24.

Adam Yates is significantly better than Simon. Kuss is worse than Sivakov (just look at the reference from last year’s Vuelta). Kuss hasn’t improved his numbers since 2023 and has shown he can improve further. Expecting that he will miraculously do so is not grounded in reality at all.

Almeida is stronger than Jorgenson uphill. Every single one you mentioned is worse than UAE’s rider you mentioned, and you haven’t even tapped into the depth of UAE’s roster yet. It’s a wild comment that makes zero sense in 25, zero.

 

[Salvarani]

Yates, Kuss, Matteo vs Almeida, Yates, Sivakov

If they are all at their best, I would choose Visma domestiques

Nah.

 

[scribers]

Yates cancel each other out. I would take Jorgensen over Sivakov but not over Almeida at this time

 

[Peyroteo94]

Nah.

Only if Kuss can be at his best again.

 

[Salvarani]

Only if Kuss can be at his best again.

I still think it was a strange statement.

 

[Medvind]

Yates, Kuss, Matteo vs Almeida, Yates, Sivakov

If they are all at their best, I would choose Visma domestiques

S Yates and Kuss, bit unknown how strong they are going to be. Matteo is good.

Almeida, A Yates and Sivakov feels more reliable.

 

[SHAD0W93]

2022 Visma
2023 started Visma then UAE started doing better and derailing the Visma train
2024 UAE
2025 the biggest question would be Almeida 100% sacrificing himself if it’s needed but so far UAE has been better

 

[Peyroteo94]

I still think it was a strange statement.

Different opinions. I rate Kuss and Matteo very highly and they will not race the Giro like Yates.