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Rechtschreibfehler said:
Sure Vingegaard came out of nowhere, but I don't think you can just randomly turn someone into a superstar if the physiological conditions for your methods to work aren't really good. Sadly I have no idea how one goes around to find a good responder, but surely there are measurable indicators.
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Vingegaard was signed by Jumbo for the 2019 season and has been talked up by them as a GT threat ever since. Not like a Froome donkeying around at Barlow World for a few years before suddenly making a quantum leap to GT success.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Vingegaard was signed by Jumbo for the 2019 season and has been talked up by them as a GT threat ever since. Not like a Froome donkeying around at Barlow World for a few years before suddenly making a quantum leap to GT success.
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well, Froome was at least a pro before his transformation, Jonas was a fisherman; BTW I love tha last damage control on twitter; Jonas could not show his talent cause Denmark is flat :)
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Vingegaard was signed by Jumbo for the 2019 season and has been talked up by them as a GT threat ever since. Not like a Froome donkeying around at Barlow World for a few years before suddenly making a quantum leap to GT success.
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Just on physical attributes alone, Vingegaard is a good GC candidate. Thick leg muscles and a wispy upper body. He's basically Remco from the waist down, and Bardet up top.
 
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Salvarani said:
He wins every other race with what he produced there. Not this one though. He was so far behind Vinge here. Vinge is the one who looked like he could go even faster. I dont see it happening.

Pog has done roughly the same numbers a few times here in Tour, other races as well, and he seems to max out at around 6,7-7.

Vinge did a lot more than that.
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Do we even know what he's produced in some other bike races? Didn't he absolutely a smoke MvdP at Flanders basically a head-to-head time trial?
 
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Vingegaard rode a perfect TT, seemingly had the entire course committed to memory, Pogacar looked much less comfortable in the corners, not to mention the bike change which cost time to do and cost time in the later part of the climb where the grade lessened. Pogacar still beat everyone not named Jonas by over a minute. Both of them have been motorpaced around France by their teams and only stuck their heads out in the last kilometers. Not saying they're not doping, but the differences between Ving. Pog. and the others are down to a lot of things other than doping.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
They will give Teddy another chance: perfect TdF preparation without crashes. They may add Ayuso to the roaster as well. Could be interesting.
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Dont think it matters much with a "perfect" preparation, if he cant push more watts. If his max is still same, it doesnt matter. He will have to improve quite a lot and Vinge to at best stay same or decline. Vinge in the Tour, wont be beaten by Pog.

We dont know what Ayusos ceiling is yet. He still has potential.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Why? Denying that Vinge & JV were trying hard in the first 2 weeks? Pog's preparation was clearly far from perfect and could've affected week #3.
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I dont know, I cant prove anything. That is just my perspective and opinion. No way he beats this guy with the strength shown he is capable of. I will be very surprised if Pog can improve even more and be able to push even higher watts than what Vinge did. Considering Pog has already improved quite a bit since 2020, I think it is hard to believe.

You are free to disagree and move on.
 
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Salvarani said:
I dont know, I cant prove anything. That is just my perspective and opinion. No way he beats this guy with the strength shown he is capable of. I will be very surprised if Pog can improve even more and be able to push even higher watts than what Vinge did. Considering Pog has already improved quite a bit since 2020, I think it is hard to believe.

You are free to disagree and move on.
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I actually think that Vinge's TT would've been very difficult to match even by 100% Pog. This was a ridiculous performance. So it's likely that Vinge would've won this Tour anyway. However, I think it would've been really close: close enough to prevent any conclusions regarding Pog's inability to win the next time.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
I actually think that Vinge's TT would've been very difficult to match even by 100% Pog. This was a ridiculous performance. So it's likely that Vinge would've won this Tour anyway. However, I think it would've been really close: close enough to prevent any conclusions regarding Pog's inability to win the next time.
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Pog was 100% here. He was even better here, than in the 2020 TT!

I dont think it is close at all and you can very well make a conclusion that Pog will not be able to beat this version of Vinge, no matter what he does. Other factors than a "perfect" preparation matters a whole lot more.

Pog will have to make a big jump in how many watts he can push, just to be able to match what Vinge did.
 
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Salvarani said:
Pog was 100% here. He was even better here, than in the 2020 TT!

I dont think it is close at all and you can very well make a conclusion that Pog will not be able to beat this version of Vinge, no matter what he does. Other factors than a "perfect" preparation matters a whole lot more.

Pog will have to make a big jump in how many watts he can push, just to be able to match what Vinge did.
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I think we can agree to disagree on this. Vinge won fair and square and the rest is just speculation anyway. We will see next year.
 
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