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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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I have vibes of playing PCM in easy mode when I see Pogacar racing. I know he will be an all time great and he is probably the most talent rider cycling has ever witnessed however something is going on with doping these days. The gap is absurd between him/Vingegaard/MVP and the rest. It is not funny anymore.
"Probably the most talented rider ever"? No. Only since he started riding for UAE. If you want to see talent in all age categories, check Evenepoel, Van der Poel, Pedersen and Pidcock.
 
"Probably the most talented rider ever"? No. Only since he started riding for UAE. If you want to see talent in all age categories, check Evenepoel, Van der Poel, Pedersen and Pidcock.
He won tour de l'avenir before joining UAE with the biggest gap to second place since Quintana and he was racing for Slovenia (almost raced alone). What are you talking about? Of course no one thought he would be this good but he was one of the most impressive young riders ever.
 
He won tour de l'avenir before joining UAE with the biggest gap to second place since Quintana and he was racing for Slovenia (almost raced alone). What are you talking about? Of course no one thought he would be this good but he was one of the most impressive young riders ever.
He won one important race in his first three years. Giro della Lunigiana. In his fourth year he won the Grand Prix Preissnitz Spa and Tour de l'Avenir (in which he won 0 stages). You call that the most talented racer ever? Even Marc Hirschi was better in his years before he joined UAE.
 
He won one important race in his first three years. Giro della Lunigiana. In his fourth year he won the Grand Prix Preissnitz Spa and Tour de l'Avenir (in which he won 0 stages). You call that the most talented racer ever? Even Marc Hirschi was better in his years before he joined UAE.
Why talent is always seen as victories in youth? Seriously, he was a Tour de France winner at 22 years old. For you, Hirshi is more talented than Pogi because he had better results?
 
Goodness gracious, I think it would be silly to argue that he is not a talented athlete. And arguing who was "the best" during their teen years seems to be somewhat impossible to win (so to speak).

However, he is taking the piss these days. He's been absolutely wiping the floor with people on his preferred terrain, while taking it to the sprinters on theirs. I'm not a fan of J-Crew man, but if Toddy blitzes the Tour this year, I suspect the forum may be unbearable for a while. He has quite the gushing admirers, so in that way it could be similar to Skybot world.
 
This is silly like the discussions several years ago. Specialized is sponsoring two of the major contenders; do you think they'd take that kind of risk? It'd ruin their brand if all success was attributed to Granpa's e-bike technology. Better to have a busted, doped rider win on their product and drop the rider.
No; they are somewhere between better than other riders/teams and the Outer Limits. Motor doping isn't likely.
"there was smoke around Pogacar during the 2021 Tour where other (anonymous) riders said his bike was making weird sounds." is hack-writer click-bait. The weird sound would be someone like Remco or Tadej made accelerating in 3 cogs higher than the riders being dropped.

yeah what's in it for Specialized (which neither Vinegegaard or Pogacar ride btw, but follow me here) other than winning races and getting tons of exposure to sell even more $14,000 bikes to dentists? some people are so naive. money is everything, motor doping is extremely likely.
 
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where are the journalists? where's Walsh?
the only one is Antoine Vayer, all influencer on X are hypocrites, never anyone who talks about doping, mihai, LR, B.N. , ammatty
where did that guy called @Uefe go??

Pogacar is the biggest scandal since Armstrong and no one talks

Oufeh. he deleted his account more than one year ago. with SkIneos being very average, he and a few others had no more reason to shout on twitter.
 
I don't know if this is extreme low level trolling or what kind of idiocy? But Remco literally started cycling competitively when he was 17. At that age, Pog had aleady won the Giro della Lunigiana.
Pogacar was one week short of his 18th birthday when he won Lunigiana. Evenepoel was already 18 at the time because he's born in January. They were both second year juniors. It has no relevance to what I wrote earlier. I have no idea whether you're trying to make a point, but you're not doing a good job.
 
It's the sudden change that bothers me. Pogacar was good, but not exceptional in his first four years. He signs for UAE and BOOM. Explain this to me.
Why Ayuso can't make the huge leap Pogacar made? I don't know. He was very good but what do you expected Pogacar to accomplish before joining UAE (before the age of 20)? Were you expecting a Tour de France winner at the age of 19 years old? Please tell me. Other thing I would like to ask you. Do you believe Remco would have a similar palmares if he joined UAE instead of quickstep?
Pogacar is an all time great, probably the best rider I ever seen but I'm not fool, I know he is a convicted doper.
 
Why Ayuso can't make the huge leap Pogacar made? I don't know. He was very good but what do you expected Pogacar to accomplish before joining UAE (before the age of 20)? Were you expecting a Tour de France winner at the age of 19 years old? Please tell me. Other thing I would like to ask you. Do you believe Remco would have a similar palmares if he joined UAE instead of quickstep?
Pogacar is an all time great, probably the best rider I ever seen but I'm not fool, I know he is a convicted doper.
He's hasn't been convicted at all. What are trying to say?
Let me summarize once again: the other UAE riders are not suspicious to me.
However... when a good rider joins the team of the dirtiest cyclist and sports director in history, surrounded by dirty assistants and he suddenly becomes one of the best riders in history, it becomes very interesting. Especially when this rider who was never an exceptional ITT rider, beats the worlds elite in the TdF 2020 or nearly equals Armstrongs time on Luz Ardiden two minutes ahead of everybody else in 2021, including the EPO generation.
 
And Remco immediately started winning
Yes, he was very impressive in the way he kept destroying those a bit younger than him. But I guess since he started cycling later it wasn't a bad idea for him to race in the juniors at the age of 18.

And the 2000 age group was extremely weak, with almost no one worth mentioning apart from Arensman, who is from December 1999. But in 2018 he's competed in men's and u23 races, so he hasn't met Remco.

But no question as Remco went straight from junior races, skipped u23 altogether, won gold medal at the European ITT Championships, silver at the World Championships, won San Sebastian. That's a massive jump. Respect to QuickStep docs
 
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Pogacar is the biggest scandal since Armstrong and no one talks
Wait, I thought that was Vingegaard, jeez you guys I can hardly keep up. The only consistency I can see is that whenever one of the bigshots has a big win or does something impressive he is immediately front and center in the clinic, unless his name is Van der Poel. Is it the consensus of the clinic that he alone is cleans? The son of a former top pro who himself was busted for doping? Vingo goes for a 40K escapade and the clinic is open for business, Pogi doubles it and everyone loses their ***. Van der Poel goes from 80K out including a 30-10-30 second 20 K long drag race with another clinic regular and it's crickets around here, he doesn't even budge off the second page. I don't get it, can anybody explain it to me. Like I just started watching cycling this year?
 
He's hasn't been convicted at all. What are trying to say?
Let me summarize once again: the other UAE riders are not suspicious to me.
However... when a good rider joins the team of the dirtiest cyclist and sports director in history, surrounded by dirty assistants and he suddenly becomes one of the best riders in history, it becomes very interesting. Especially when this rider who was never an exceptional ITT rider, beats the worlds elite in the TdF 2020 or nearly equals Armstrongs time on Luz Ardiden two minutes ahead of everybody else in 2021, including the EPO generation.
I agree with you but C'mon man, the final TT was a mountain TT in stage 20 (recovery plays an huge role). And one thing I can tell you, Pogacar always had a great engine, you can see Tour de l'Avenir. It was a matter of time and better conditions (equipment, wind tunnel, etc) to make him a very good time trialist. For me, the main flag is definetly how good he is in literally everything. He is toying with the field in strade bianche, he wins gt's, he can win reduced sprints, he is probably the best puncher in the world too on climbs with more than 1 km. He would be the first rider since Gilbert to make the treble in Ardennes of he didn't crash. He dropped a peak MVP (probably will end his career as the biggest winner in Ronde) in his favourite race. I agree with you when it is suspicious however you have to admit he was not a random cyclist when he was young, he was really talented.